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And we are back.... Ok so here is what happens when the site is down for a week. Well Crap! Bad timing on my part. The site has been down since I began this build to I am typing it all up and will post everything I have done once the site is back up. In the words of that Supreme Sith Lord Jar Jar Binks, “Hello Boyos, Mesa Back”. I have decided to do this in a separate thread from my ROTK and keep this thread here on FISD rather than on MEPD for a few reasons. To avoid and confusion and/or misconceptions here are the reasons: #1. I believe, and have always believed that the (as it is now being called) Crystal Patrol Pack is NOT a sandtrooper. The Crystal Patrol Pack is clearly noted in literature from Rogue One that it is a “duty patrol” not a classification. Further, I have read that the “bottom line” is that MEPD gets the “dirty” Stormtroopers. Well, there are numerous pictures of the Crystal Patrol Pack “trooper” that are clean, clean, clean white armor troopers (ex. Celebration Europe pictures). So not all the crystal patrol packs troopers are dirty and to be quite honest, I have a dog in this fight. I do not want to “dirty” my $1,800.00 investment in the ONLY ROTK to be both EIB and Centurion approved. Regardless, this Horse has been beaten to death and it is clear that at least some of the parties who made the decision to give this pack to MEPD are not willing to change their minds at this point. Further, it really does not matter what I and numerous others think, what is done is done. So that is reason #1 why this thread is here first and will eventually be cross posted on MEPD. Please do not respond to this reason by arguing for the “why” the Crystal Patrol Pack is now an MEPD asset, it is not the reason for this thread and I do not wish to get into a “Johnson” measuring contest. #2. All of the research for the ROTK CRLs and the Crystal Patrol Pack were done here on FISD by you guys. Sure many of you are MEPD as well but this discussion was started here and since you all did the heavy lifting, the credit should stay with you here. #3. I do not know the people on MEPD as well as I have come to know you guys. All of you have been instrumental in me accomplishing my TK build and attaining EIB and Centurion. I value your input and suggestions. I do not have any issues with MEPD or the people on that forum but I started out my 501st adventure here on FISD and I just feel more at home here. Like I said, I will cross post this build on MEPD in the future. Anyway here is the link to my ROTK build if you want it. https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/44463-11b30b4’s-rotk-build/ So here is my Crystal Patrol Pack Build… When I ordered all the stuff for my ROTK, I also started to collect all the parts needed for the Crystal Patrol Pack. In a very short time I had everything I needed and just required the time to build this thing. For anyone looking to build this pack or has questions about building this pack there are several build threads here on FISD in the RO section, on MEPD in the RO section, and on the FB page for the pack build. I will link everything relevant here: FISD https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/39073-celebration-europe-2016-rogue-one-stormtrooper-back-pack-build/ https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/38162-rogue-one-stormtrooper-back-pack-part-found/ MEPD http://forum.mepd.net/index.php?/forum/66-crystal-patrol-field-pack/ Face Book https://www.facebook.com/rogueonetkbackpack/ The Build… I am hoping to achieve a very close approximation of the Celebration Europe examples of the packs. It will not be perfect but very close to what we have seen and know about the pack. Ok so for my build the thing that I expect to take the longest is the dyeing of the Alice pack and shoulder straps so I started this first. This is my Large LC-2 Alice Pack and LC-2 Shoulder Straps. Most people who build this pack use the woodland camouflage LC-2 Shoulder Straps but I located the Shoulder Straps in OD so these are what I am using. I posted a link on where to get the OD straps on the Celebration Europe thread on FISD if you are looking for them. The LC-2 Alice Pack comes in three sizes and the pack used for this build is the Large Pack. Most military surplus stores have them and there is information on the previously mentioned Celebration Europe thread to be able to distinguish the differences between the sizes. The Dye I am using is the Rit Black powder dye and the Rit Black DyeMore liquid dye. So I mostly followed the recommendations of the Celebration Europe thread and soaked the pack in1 gallon of boiling water then mixed the powder dye and 1 cup of white vinegar with another gallon of boiling water. I then added the dye water to the pack bucket and stirred everything about every 20 minutes for the first hour then made sure everything was submerged and left it for another 2 hours. Then I pulled everything out and hung it to air dry overnight. While the pack was dying, I knocked out the six 1”x22” bed roll straps. The Celebration Europe thread says to use tan cotton webbing but I used 1” tan polypropylene webbing I had on hand. The weave was the same as the cotton straps used so I figured I can make this work. The key was to paint the webbing but leave the ends tan. For the paint, I used a can of Rust-Oleum Camouflage OD spray paint I had on hand. I did a test and it worked great. I needed the ends to remain tan so I used a Q-tip and some petroleum jelly to mask the ends of the straps about ¼” on both sides, then I tacked the straps to some card board. I spray painted the straps with a very heavy coat and let them dry, then flipped them and did the same on the other side. Next, I took the cam-loc buckles I ordered and spray painted them with the OD paint as well. When the straps were dry I used a paper towel to remove the petroleum jelly and then cleaned the tips again with some rubbing alcohol and a paper towel. Exactly the look I wanting. Next, I stitched the straps to the buckles. The Celebration Europe thread says to do this by hand but I have an industrial sewing machine and some tan thread so I did it with the machine. And that finished the bedroll straps. Next I worked on the Grande box. Following the Celebration Europe thread I disassembled the box. Then I marked and drilled the twelve 5mm back mounting holes. Then I marked and did the twelve 1+” wide hole cut-outs. And that was Day one in a nut shell. Day two… I started by taking the dry Alice Pack and Shoulder Straps upstairs and threw them in the washing machine with no soap for a rinse and spin cycle. Once they were done, I again submerged them in 1 gallon of boiling water. I then Mixed the Rit DyeMore in another gallon of boiling water and added it to the bucket with the pack. Again I stirred the pack every 20 minutes for the first hour then l let everything sit submerged for another two hours. Took everything out and hung it to air dry. While the pack was dying, I started working on the antenna. The Celebration Europe thread had identified the fishing pole used for the antenna was the Avanti Precision X 12ft 3-piece Float Rod; however, that rod is no longer in production. A very close alternative is the NGT Float Master which is rumored to be made in the same factory. I managed to find several for sale for $24.95. I posted the link on the Celebration Europe thread and on MEPD. The only significant difference it that the threads at each eye are silver on the NGT vs red on the Avanti. I will fix that later but for now I wanted to get the antenna mostly done. In this picture you can see the silver threads (yellow circle) and also notice the rod wrapping (green circle) which are exactly the same as the Avanti. For the antenna you only need the top part of the 3 piece rod which is about 50 inches. The very top end of the rod is cut off removing the top eye. The cut should be about 50mm from the top of the second eye. Using my dremel cut off wheel, I chopped off the top. Next I removed all the plastic inner rings in each eye with needle nose plyers and an x-Acto knife. For the tip I got an assortment of vacuum caps from AutoZone and used the smallest one (5/32”) cap but it was still a little big for the rod end. So I added two layers of heat shrink to the end of the rod then added the snug fitting cap. Next I threaded the ¼” rubber surgical tubing I got off amazon through the top three eyes and wrapped is for the area between the third and fourth eyes (counting from the top) then continued the threading for the reminder of the eyes. The Celebration Europe thread calls for a 4mm ID black silicone tubing but I figure my tubing is close enough. The one issue I had was that when wrapped in the spiral, the tubing compressed and looks flat. To fix this, I inserted some black para cord inside the tubing for the area that gets wrapped and this made a big difference. So this finished the antenna with the exception of coloring the threads to red from silver. Next, I made the bed roll. So on the Celebration Europe thread there is no consensus on what was actually used for the bed roll. It looks to me like they used a USGI shelter half which would be consistent with most US military stuff so I snagged a shelter half from a surplus store and cut it in half. One of my concerns with this pack was the weight and how it has the potential to damage my TK armor so I want the weight to be a light as possible. Next I took the half and filled it with some poly fill and rolled it. Presto, bed roll. And that wraps day two… Day three… I started off with taking the now dry pack and shoulder straps and running them through another rinse and spin cycle in the washing machine and then a quick tumble dry in the dryer. While that was happening I painted the threads of the antenna red. For this I used Tamiya clear red (X-27) acrylic paint. I simply applied it with a small brush on the threads and presto red threads that are a damn near perfect match for the Avanti rod. After the pack and shoulder straps were dry, I took the shoulder strap that is worn on the left side and masked it off. I should note that this is actually the right shoulder strap. For some reason they are reversed on the pack but this is the way its done so this is the shoulder strap I used. After masking, I spray painted the shoulder strap with Rust-Oleum OSHA Orange spray paint. This took numerous thick wet coats because the nylon would absorb the paint. The guys on the Celebration thread used a plastic-dip type of paint that avoided the nylon soaking up the paint but I had the Osha Orange on hand so I used it. Eventually the paint began to settle on the top. Once it was sort of dry in the thin areas, I removed the masking. Since I was spraying the paint so thick, it did bleed under the masking tape a little. Once the masking was removed I cleaned up the bleeding a little with a Q-Tip and some acetone. I did leave it somewhat messy though since it needs to have the “used” look. I also smeared some of the wet paint in the two masked off areas inside the rectangle to give the impression that they had once been orange. All this will get more weathering later on but for now, it looks good to me. Next, with a seam ripper, I removed all the straps and back pad that are required to be removed as indicated in the Celebration thread. Next, I took some 1” black polypropylene and the correct brass buckles and made the four buckles that would be added to the pack. Once these were sewn, I sewed them to the pack in the correct spots. Next I stuffed the pack and 3 outer pockets with closed cell foam, then mounted it to the M75 frame. Next, I mounted the grenade box to the M-75 frame with black zip ties. I lined the inside of the grenade box with some black spandex material I had and then mounted the grenade cover. And that wraps day three… Day four (FISD site still not up)… So I only got a few things done today. First I mounted the shoulder straps and the lifeboat hook greeble. Next I mounted the bed roll and antenna. I am thinking I may have too much stuffing in the bed roll but I can fix that later. Overall, I like how the pack looks and all I need to do now is whether it and it will be done. And that is it for the update. Thanks for the interest. Day 5 update… First, I unstitched the end of the bed roll and removed some of the foam. I re-stitched the end and mounted it on the pack. I mounted the antenna and it looks better now. Next, I mixed up some craft paints using several browns, greys, greens, and black to develop about 4 colors of mud for weathering. I applied each color with a small 1” brush using several methods (splatter, dry brush, wash, etc…). One of the colors I sued was a champagne pearl brown, this color added the effect of light glittering that one often sees with actual sand and mud (yellow circle). I am also in the process of adding some black felt to the inside of the frame to help protect my armor from wearing the pack. And that is it. The pack is mostly finished but I need to try it on with the armor and see if any additional protective padding will be needed. I am also curious if I will need to remove my Thermal Detonator to wear the pack. That’s the update so far. Thanks for the interest. Update… and this site outage really sucks since I am not getting any feedback from you guys about this build. Well I put on my kit with the pack and surprisingly everything seems to work well together. No issues with the shoulder straps, Thermal Detonator, or back plate. Walked around a bit in the back yard and I think we are a go for the DragonCon Parade. Here are some pics my wife took. Thanks for the interest.

Last fitting!!! Everything was trimmed up and ready for my garrison friend to try everything on for the very first time. This was so exciting to be a part of! The only thing I hadn't secured at this point was the elastics on the thighs. I wasn't 100% certain how they would sit on her once she was completely suited up, and I didn't want to secure them too low. So in these pics, I used gaffer's tape to secure the elastics to the inner thighs. It isn't a perfect option, but held up well enough to get an idea of how everything was fitting. The thighs still sit a little low on her and was adjusted later. That notwithstanding, I'm pretty happy with the results! (Ignore the black cod strap hanging down there. We hadn't quite adjusted that yet! And we still had to glue the handguards on.) Yeah! Bada$$ TK! To quote her, "I look buff!" Again, thighs were dropping due to the gaffer's tape not being super secure in there. After we made some additional adjustments (cutting some of the back plate to allow for shoulder bell clearance, adding padding at the left shin to pop out the sniper knee plate, and trying to resecure the gaffer's tape on the thighs), this is where we ended up... I know the right thigh is slipping down, and that was fixed after I took the photos. Her booty was causing the thigh to shift down, so I had to trim a bit more off the top of the back of that thigh for clearance. The black around the shoulder bells is from her full-bib neck seal popping out a bit around the edges. And I know that I still need to get some white paint on the ab/kidney split rivets as well as adding the 1/8" white elastic for the ends of the shoulder bridges. We're still waiting on the clips for her thermal detonator. She was able to navigate stairs (a challenge, but she succeeded!), she can get her helmet on and off by herself, and she can drink from a bottle of water in kit. She is having a tough time with getting the blaster in and out of the holster while suited up, but I told her that she can always find a handler to assist for this. When she walks around, there is only the normal sound of minimal white plastic clicking together. The suit moves well on her and she reports that it's comfortable. Woo! So now I need your help, fellow TKs of the FISD. Please please please tell me if there is anything that looks "off" to you, no matter how small it may be. I am hoping that she submits for EIB, then Centurion, and I want to help her get there. I won't be passing the kit off to her posession until Saturday, so if there are any fixes that are needed, now would be a really good time for me to know about it. Be critical! I can take it! Thank you, troopers!

Thanks, ShaSha and Pretzel! My latest exploits have centered around a (largely) not sewn neck seal actually, but that has been eclipsed by the news that MY KIT SHOULD BE ARRIVING IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS! I just received word that mine is the next to be done, maybe this weekend, and I have no clue how long shipping will take but it can't take THAT long, RIGHT?? so I'm small scale panicking, making sure I have everything I need for its arrival, updating my reference notebook, chilling the celebratory champagne (more likely beer), and being generally thrilled and terrified at the same time. *takes deep breaths* Real update to follow once I get some needed pics.

Armor ordered and received IB boots ordered holster received blaster dooby doos flexible handguards are in the process of being ordered Neck seal will probably just make a new one that way it can live in the box with the armor. gloves and undersuit are the only other items I have yet to order. Planning on building to centurion from the get go.

DEVOLVER, thank you and I look forward to seeing you build the pack. Mgb1016, So I am not sure what type of straps you are using but the process must be similar. For the RO Crystal pack we use the LC-2 Alice USGI quick release straps. The top straps are simply wrapped around one of the top bars and then secured with a ladder-loc slider. The bottom of the straps are secured to the corner 45 degree frame members. The strap is wrapped around its self and then pulled tightly. I hope that helps explain what I did. Good luck on your build.

Well I´m the only full blown nerd she has to put up with (my son just humors me, he`s turning 16 and has other interests awakening) and I have to say she`s a Trooper about it given she has zero interest herself

I'll get there eventually!!

Good to see another wtf build! Personally I'd trim the teeth a bit more.

Hello everyone, Referencing the pinned post in this thread, I'll start out by offering some advice that I wish I had known myself when I first purchased my first TK kit: The price you see on the ANOVOS website is not the price of the kit. There have been a lot of purchases since then that were needed to complete my build. Next, a top five list of things I have learned: There will always be something that can be improved on the kit. Especially as a first build, no kit is perfect and relentlessly striving for perfection, although admirable, can sometimes create unnecessary stress that soils what should be a fun experience. Plus, sometimes being madly driven by a desire for perfection can actually have the opposite result (i.e. maybe you took a bit too much off an edge that didn't really need trimming in the first place. Buy these Du-Bro scissors: Amazon I cannot iterate enough just how much of a luxury these scissors are. They are designed for cutting plastic and, to me, offer an advantage to first-time builders who may be wary of the score and snap method. It is unlikely that, especially if a TK is your first costume build, you'll be approved in the first go when you submit for basic approval. There probably will be changes that need to be made. Maybe others will dispute this one or had an easier time getting approved. I had to resubmit once myself and rebuild the thighs. Measure thrice, cut once. Enough said. Wear PPE! Despite yet another cost, it is worth it to get a respirator like this. I was hesitant to get one myself because of the price tag, but, reading of some of the symptoms and long-term complications of E6000, I am glad I did. Most come with the organic vapor cartridges which is what you need. And one extra thing I learned: Accuracy isn't everything. Yes, I said it. I am an accuracy hag myself, but if getting that belt rivet cover just right or aligning the belt takes a toll on your happiness while building, take a breather and realize that, at the end of the day, enjoyment comes first. As for challenges, I've already mentioned the thighs. My legs still continue to give me problems despite being approved. I am 5' 8" at ~145 lbs., so I have had some difficulty getting the thighs to not only close in the rear with no gaps (I used ABS paste; shoutout to Kalani for his tutorial here: https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/42866-how-to-make-abs-paste/), but also some difficulty to keep them from hitting my posterior plate. More work to be done. Like I said, always something you can improve somewhere on the armor. I received countless warnings while building, so please simply consider all my acknowledgements later on as thanks for said innumerable warnings. To give some anecdotes, I'll provide just two to keep this short of a master's thesis. Firstly, my most embarrassing one stems from an acetone accident. I did not attempt to intentionally clean or even touch the armor with acetone, but I was cleaning some paintbrushes with my ab plate nearby and, unfortunately, splashed some on the armor after the lid came off surprisingly fast causing acetone to splash out of the top, in the air, and then down onto the surface of the armor. Long story short, I have managed to restore the finish using Novus products, sanding, and extensive buffing, but it was still a setback/scare nonetheless. To close my post, I'll offer my inspiration for joining the 501st and offer thanks to everyone who helped me get here. Upon attending my first Star Wars celebration with my father, I was fascinated with the atmosphere. The franchise of which I had been a lifelong fan of, albeit only being seven years old at the time, was literally standing in front of me on the show floor manifested in armor-clad people that seemed to have jumped right off the screen. So when my dad purchased a child's Jango Fett costume (nothing fancy; probably ripped off honestly) from a vendor, I was proud to wear it and walk among those who I quite literally looked up to. And then I found it. The 501st room full of costumes and members, and, ever since then, I've been dead set on joining once I mustered enough savings that I could spend on a kit without jeopardizing my financial integrity. This story is not even to mention the time when Marvel superheroes visited my younger brother in an oncology ward at a Florida children's hospital. The way terminally ill children light up when they see their heroes in front of them, despite all their adversity, is enough to even bring a grown man to tears. It was at this time that I knew I'd be joining the 501st sooner than later. A year later and here I am. I would definitely like to thank @justjoseph63 and @ukswrath for all their help with the latter providing an amazing build thread suited for beginners. I would also like to thank @Commander Gree @menschie @BrinkHouse and @kman to name just a few in addition to the countless members who made a dream a reality. And a huge shoutout to members of the Florida Garrison Everglades Squad who are a joy to be around and have provided invaluable pointers and recommendations. I know I could not have made it here without them. Thanks for reading. For the Empire!, Eric

Paul this is really nice , the details are great , I'd say the best I've seen , just need to change the parts you mentioned and this will be perfect

Anytime Here`s a screen shot for reference

This is a real beauty and I appreciate you posting this, as I am looking for one. The bi-pod actually works or you have two (open and closed)? Thank you!

Thanks @lucnak Yeah I know right - When I glue them on they are good - but they start shifting in the dry process - Need to find a way to keep the corners in to place. Will give it another try tonight. Thanks for the foam idea! Definitely going to try that.

You've got a great eye for detail, Luc! But... haha... no, not pull tabs. The pics aren't in the best resolution, sorry for that. Those boots are painted white. So what you're seeing is the paint rubbed off, showing the black underneath there. I'll have to airbrush that as a touch up before handoff. Thanks for the feedback!!!

Honestly, I am blown away by how you made this fit her! Incredible job. Everything looks good to me after the stuff you mentioned is done. Only thing I can see is the pull tabs of the boots sticking out of the shins, but that's a dressing issue.

Awesome to hear that you are working on your fixes Ryan! You are almost there. We will see you out trooping in no time.

As Jim mentioned, I would definitely cut out a bit more in the area shown below. This will improve your mobility, and since we tend to spend most of the time with our arms bent in holding an E-11 it will help eliminate "armor bite" in that area. If you have larger biceps, you can definitely trim the return edges off of those pieces as needed as seen in the screen used ones in the second photo. As for the cod, yes, that area can be a bit thin, but I would highly suggest removing all the return edges from the bottom. The reason being (without getting too delicate) is that area can (and will) cause chafing in that area if you leave too much on, if you know what I mean. The third pic shows how much you can remove (although the edges should be sanded down smooth) but also shows a split, which can be prevented with reinforcing around the inside edges.

Actually, there are 18 costumes that are under our "jurisdiction" Mike. The best way to study the differences (as Paul mentioned) is to take a look at each individual CRL (Costume Reference Library) here: http://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:FISD_CRL This will give you a lot more details on each one to help you make your decision.

So, your other half has to put up with TWO armour building trooper men in the household!?!! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I love this stuff... It works good to remove paint & overspray from Teeth am to clean your brush. Allow to air dry prior to using again. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I borrowed this link from StrmTRPR85 https://www.coleparmer.com/chemical-resistance It is HELPFUL !!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Post up some updated pictures if you can! I would love to see it all done up and secured!

See you at SaskExpo!

Hey everyone, it's been another long while! I'm just about finished with my kit, which is a relief, but also a sort-of sadness. I liked working on it very much. Pictures will follow tomorrow. I finished up the helmet, save for the helmet fans on the insides, and my last things to do are the backs of the thighs , belt drop boxes, and blaster, plus the Aker amp system inside my chest armor.

So yeah this is a sign I need to get to work on my blasters and small fixes for that EIB application. Sent from my VK815 using Tapatalk

I was “they all look the same”.... but trust me when I say, the more I studied the vids, pix, & reading up in them, I CAN TELL THEM APART !!! Anyway, good luck in your build any questions... ASK & POST PIX !!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I may be fiddling with the web server tonight EDT trying to improve the performance even more. If you notice a blip or two... that's all me. -Eric

Welcome !!!

Looking very good Wook! Can’t wait to troop with you! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Truly - thanks for all you & @Locitus have done. They certainly *feel* faster...

Yes! Just received my TK-ID confirmation email. Tk-95970 reporting in now. Sent from my VK815 using Tapatalk

Final product Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I suggest using a host, Imgur.com or google photos is popular choices around here or using tapatalk For the trimming I would do something like this, you can trim less to begin with and see how you like before trimming more

Hi Luc, Thanks for the response! I talked to my local garrison at Boston Comic Con and they were able to help me and demonstrate how to fix some of my issues. The reason my shins weren’t closing was because I didn’t have a strong enough Velcro and I switch to an industrial Velcro and that worked like a dream. For my thighs though I have to have bigger cover strips for the back because my thighs are a bit too big so I had to make some adjustments.

More work was done last week, and progress is being made! First, I got those thighs assembled and they were tried on along with the torso. Here's what we ended up with before trimming. BTW, these are the short WTF thighs. Who knew that WTF made a short thigh? I sure didn't! Okay, so even though the thighs are 'short', they still need to be moved up. The thing that was keeping us from moving the thighs higher was her booty. So I marked and trimmed several times on the backs of the thighs for booty clearance, and a little bit on the inner thighs for comfort. Note that I did not trim any of the outer edge of the thighs! Here's what we ended up with: We were happy with the lengths of the thighs now. I still had to do some post-fitting shaping of the tops of these thighs. They were somewhat angular at the outer top edges, and it really bugged me. You can kind of see it on her right thigh, and even how it pushes the holster outwards on her left thigh. I fixed that with a hot water bath (you'll see those pics after our next fitting!). So, next was to get the boots and shins on to see what else needed to be trimmed next. Please pardon the low thigh on her left... it wasn't well-secured in there and kept slipping down! (I'm just going to add here that I am still super happy with how the back of her torso fits together!!!!) It's kind of deceptive in these pics, but her entire kneecaps are below the ridge of the shins. She could walk around, but more like a robot than a trooper. And stairs... haha... she made it up two, then gave up. I think part of the issue is the shin length, so I've since trimmed 1cm from the bottoms in order to bring down the tops of those shins a bit. And I trimmed out the half-moons on the backs of the thighs for better mobility. That should help her as well. Pics of those mods will be posted after the next fitting. We were running out of time, but I had to have her try on the arms all together. I used gaffer's tape to secure the shoulder bells to her shirt. From what I could tell, the forearms needed to have at least 1cm removed. I marked where I could feel where her wrists were from under the plastic. You can kind of see the pencil marks on them. We will be gluing the white rubber handguards to the rubber gloves at the next fitting, so I''ll be able to get a better idea of how much more material (if any) to remove from the forearms. We are in the final stages of this build!!! The next fitting will be for final adjustments. I am so excited for my friend to be a TK!

Detachment Leader / Executive Officer Pre Approval Forum 3D Section Now On Forum Fire Teams Hall of Fame Just For Laughs Competitions Costume Totals Trooping Trooping Opportunities Imperial Attaché Program EIB & Centurion: What do these terms mean? Advanced Tactics Awards EIB - The March To 1000 Merch Reform Merchandise Public Relations Follow FISD Enjoy the break boss, you deserve it As our fearless leader Daetrin takes time off for a well deserved vacation, If you will indulge me, I shall pick up the mantle for this edition of “From the DL” The Detachment Feedback Post There was no expectation for members to jump on this thread as we all get on line when time permits, it didn’t help that I originally posted it in the Notifications section which doesn’t have the permissions for the general membership to respond. I have since relocated the thread to 501st Detachment Only Section, please see the link: https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/45268-2018-membership-feedback-forum/ I have pinned the post so it will stay visible and be there for the long term. I am personally very interested to hear from you guys and girls, so consider it a mid-term report card on your command staff; there might be plenty we can learn from it, but at the heart, there is a difference between thinking you are doing a great job, and listening to you guys and realising we can do more or better than we have been. If you have criticism, great; if it’s constructive, it could be very valid and you might very well be the instigator of changes for the better. With the massive brains trust of exceptional people in this Detachment, I am positive there are good ideas out there just waiting to be tabled, so help FISD be the best it can be. If you are not comfortable with posting in the thread, then please feel free to send any of us a PM, Your opinion counts and we are here to serve in the best interest of the membership. 3D Section I want to personally thank everyone who has contributed to this new section so far. Anyone is able to earn a Contributors Award, so keep on bringing the goodness, and gain yourself recognition for being active, offering advice, great ideas, designs and an active part of the 3D community. I can say with confidence, we shall see our next award recipient in the not too distant future. 3D Merch Update There are still Phasma Coins, Riot Trooper Coins available so if you don’t have any of these goodies or even need a few more for trading, jump on them before they are forever gone. We do need to move through these so any new merch of this kind can be considered down the track. FISD Shield patches are also readily available. Please email [email protected] for any order enquiries. While on the subject, there have been calls for other types of Detachment merch. This topic will form part of the discussion and planning for the next 6 months of our current term of leadership, so please be patient. All good things come to those who wait. That about wraps it up for me this month, so remember, if you need help, have any ideas or suggestions just reach out, we are here for you. With Unquestioned Loyalty With Unquestioned Loyalty Andrew Franke TK-11469 "Sly11" Executive Officer The FISD is pleased to announce the addition of a new area in the Advanced Tactics forum dedicated to those ready to submit for basic 501st TK approval. This section will allow future Troopers the opportunity to submit photos of their completed build to be reviewed by the Staff, Imperial Attaches and others in preparation for forwarding it to their GML for approval. Any and all advice/suggestions given will be specific, constructive, helpful and respectful. Please note that this program will NOT take the place of your local GML, as Detachments are not chartered for costume approval and can not override a GMLs decision, but is instead a peer review program designed to help you look your best and offer guidance and positive feedback. You will have the opportunity to ask questions about your completed armor, weapons (if applicable), accessories, etc. and get accurate information from the experts here at the FISD.. the definitive home of TKs worldwide. For more information on this program, please visit the link here Don't forget to check out the new 3D section, and please contribute where you can, also see the link at the bottom for the new Contributor award details Contributor Awards Main forum title: 3D Parts and Technical Sub topics: 3D Printer owners Your place to discuss what printer/s you own, recommendations, tech talk and the like, It’s a place to learn something new 3D CAD Designers Home of talented 3D cad designers, show off your 3D renders, of FISD related costume parts and accessories. Offer help and advice on programs, or offer to commission a piece for a fellow member 3D File Depository A home for 3D file sharing, Troopers helping Troopers is what this section is all about; yes a single location to keep any 3D files offered up by our extremely generous membership. This will be a 501st member’s only section and rules will apply to any usage of the content. I will be looking for content to get these new sections started so If you are interested in helping drive these new forums, then please send me a PM and let’s get the threads and the filament flowing. 3D printer heads will understand that last comment Here is a link to the New FISD 3D Contributor program. With Unquestioned Loyalty Andrew Franke TK-11469 "Sly11" Executive Officer Greetings Troopers, I just wanted to check in to see if all your Fire Team information, such as active/inactive members and logos, are all up to date. In the case of the Logos, are they still showing? Seems as if Photobucket has lifted the ransom on free sharing, we'll see on long that lasts. If you need anything updated, please drop me a PM. With Unquestioned Loyalty Mark Ryner TK-4584 "captsafe66 " FISD/Fire Team Director Another month come and gone so quickly, and what to show for it? The answer: Nothing but smiles! Such is the case for this month’s inductee into the Stormtrooper Hall of Fame. This month honoring TK - 75139 Frank - keep up the stellar job Trooper! With Unquestioned Loyalty Aaron Gibson TK99725 "Pyrates" Imperial Propaganda Competition Winner A big CONGRATS to Dave C. (TK-32488) of the Empire Garrison who was the winner of our "Favorite Troop" essay contest! His awesome entry has earned him a hardcover edition of Ryder Windham's STORMTROOPER Beyond the Armor. Second prize (a cool 501st car decal) was earned by Vicky (Vicky_Velocipanda) of the German Garrison for her incredible Legoland experience. Way to go! Thanks to everyone who entered, and for the I.A. Staff for all the votes! With Unquestioned Loyalty Joseph Pedigo TK-10963 "justjoseph63" Deployment Officer NEW COMPETITION Troopers Helping Troopers Photo Contest ____________________________________ Greetings Troopers! Since I started my journey on becoming a Stormtrooper of the 501st Legion, one motto stayed true. "Troopers Helping Troopers!" I think it is time to highlight this motto in a contest where you see a powerful photo of fellow troopers helping each other out, or future troopers. When I first started, the Attaches and local members helped me a great deal, and I always wished that I was able to document a way of them helping me. Well, here is a chance to turn your volunteerism and willingness to help and get some cool swag in return. ____________________________________ Contest Guidelines Who Can Enter: Any 501st Stormtrooper in good standing. The Staff is not allowed to enter. Attaches are cleared to enter. The Staff will vote for the winner. Photo Details: • One Entry is allowed per member. • Photo must display Stormtroopers helping fellow Stormtroopers or New Members in a fun and creative way. Examples 1. TK#1 shows TK#2 how to use their blaster 2. TK shows cadet how to make armor 3. TK helping another TK out of a "tricky" situation. • Photo must display a caption or photo description • Photo Submissions begins NOW and End 9/2/2018. Submit your photos in this thread • Voting Begins 9/3/2018, Winner will be announced on this thread ____________________________________ PRIZES! 1st Place goes to the Photo with the Most Votes: A 3D printed Card Holder donated by @msouza (comes in a variety of colors) 2nd Place Prize goes to the submission with the next amount of Votes An FISD Patch, An official 501st Legion 20th Anniversary Patch & a 501st Bash Coin Bloom donated by @Pretzel 3rd Place Prize will be the next amount of Votes receives: Star Wars: Last Jedi Hat and one 16 x 3 (40 x 15 cm) 501st Car Decal donated by @justjoseph63 Follow this link for more info With Unquestioned Loyalty With Unquestioned Loyalty Preston Christman TK-91488 "Pretzel" Attaché Ambassador According to the recent database there are 5,557 Stormtroopers, which is 21.45% of all approved 501st costumes, here is the breakdown of those: With Unquestioned Loyalty Glen "Q" Rhodes TK85421 "gmrhodes13" PRO - Communications Want Your Troop to be Included? Just a reminder if you would lie your troop added please post your troop report in the Field Training Exercises section here Those with troop logs please post a separate troop report as it is easier to link too. July - August Welcome to Rockingham More here By: Glen, gmrhodes13, TK85421 Retail Embargo Lift For most of the year we are under an embargo from LFL and can not attend retail locations unless prior approval has been given by them. At certain times of the year this embargo is lifted, generally around Blu-Ray / movie releases, May 4th and Force Friday, the recent correspondence from LFL outlines the lift of the embargo: "While there is currently a retail moratorium on character appearances in effect, it is being lifted for the week of September 24th - 30th for the SOLO Blu-Ray release and then again for the weeks between November 15th - December 31st to celebrate the holiday season. All fans, costumed or otherwise, can participate with retailers of their choice within these windows with the restriction that costumed appearances must not be used in the advertising for the event. Although these store appearances will be treated like an open invite, we’ll leave it to the fan groups to independently organize around these events as they see fit. LFL will not need to approve or coordinate these". "Please note that retail locations should not include restaurants, bars, or venues with no apparent reason to feature Star Wars characters. If the retail location does not stock Star Wars products you should NOT be attending." As always there are strict rules, please speak to your Garrison Commanding Officer, Squad Leader or if you have one Garrison Events Coordinator before organising any event. *REMEMBER* Always follow your garrison/squad's guidelines when in comes to organising Disney/LFL promotional troops, only command staff can deal direct with LFL. Serve proudly, ladies and gentlemen, and as Tim (Dark CMF) says: "Keep doing what it is that got you here"! Are you an approved TK that spends more time on the boards than the average Trooper? Do you enjoy using your knowledge to help out future and existing Troopers? If so, we would like to invite you to join the Imperial Attaché program! Members of the I.A. team are chosen to help out not only those here on the boards, but on a local level as well. Our aim is to have at least one in each and every Garrison, Squad and Outpost in the entire legion to be the eyes and ears of the FISD on a local level. A suggested level of EIB or above is preferred, as part of the duties include assisting those aiming for levels 2 and 3, but is not a requirement. Being active on the boards on a regular basis , welcoming new members and helping out where you can is, though. Some of the benefits: 1. Access to exclusive Attaché merch., including patches, etc. 2. Having the Imperial Attaché title under your name. 3. Being a part of the team that welcomes new and prospective members of the FISD. 4. Being the "go-to" person in your Garrison, Squad or Outpost. 5. Exclusive access to the Attaché HQ area, Imperial Propaganda Machine (newsletter) and merchandise discussions. We are currently in need of Attaches in many units, especially International Garrisons/Squads and Outposts. For more information on this program, please head here and if you should have any questions or concerns, feel free to contact me at any time. (Pretzel) For a complete list of Imperial Attaches, go here NEW ATTACHES! Please join me in welcoming our newest Imperial Attache! 1. Jordan @Commander Gree - Jordan is eager in assisting troopers with their builds and offering sound advice. We are happy to have him part of the team! Serve proudly, Gentlemen, and as Tim (Dark CMF) says: "Keep doing what it is that got you here"! IMPERIAL ATTACHE AWARD Imperial Attaché Award for those attaché's who have gone above and beyond [minimum 1 year of service] This month I want to congratulate Daniel @TheSwede on receiving the award this month. Daniel has been on the front lines giving troopers extremely detailed advice. He is on the boards almost every day if NOT every day! You can see the passion in his posts, and I believe it needs to be rewarded. More Attaches can look to him as an example! Thank You for your service! Congratulations! You can find a list of prior recipients here With Unquestioned Loyalty Preston Christman TK-91488 "Pretzel" Attaché Ambassador ATTACHE MERCHANDISE Attaché Patch Attaché patches should be back up and running soon, please stand by So what exactly are EIB (Expert Infantry Badge) and Centurion levels? These programs were designed for those who choose to take their armor above and beyond the minimum requirements for basic 501st Legion approval. It gives you the chance to show a level of dedication and pride that takes your armor closer to being as "screen accurate" as possible, without as much extra work as you may realize! It also works on giving a better look to the Legion as an entity, and you can bet others will take notice of your hard work. The 501st has a list of detailed requirements for Basic approval, (level 1), EIB, (level 2) and Centurion, (level 3) which can be found here in the Costume Reference Library, (CRL) http://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:FISD_CRL Here are a few of the questions people may be wondering about: 1. "I am a (tall/short/heavy/thin) Trooper. Can I still apply? Of course! These programs are open and encouraged for all sizes of TKs, as long as the costume is correct and meets the guidelines. There are many specific build tutorials to every option, as well as a vast network of fellow TKs on the FISD to help you out and offer suggestions. 2. "How much extra will I have to pay for extra items"? The cost is actually quite reasonable, considering the few extra supplies you will need, which are listed in the requirements area. While it may run you a little more to implement these additions to your costume, they will go a long way to improving accuracy. All needed items can be found for sale on this thread: https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/forum/16-ongoing-sales-project-orders/ While blasters are not required for basic approval, for EIB and Centurion levels they are, and may need upgrades (also listed in the CRL). 3. "I haven't even got my kit yet, is it too early to start planning"? Actually, aiming for Centurion is easiest to do right out of the box. 4. "I have my basic TK approval, can I still get in these programs"? In a word... absolutely! 5. "Are there any "perks" to this extra work and cost"? Besides knowing that you have a great looking set of armor, the 501st and FISD believes you should be deservedly recognized for your achievement(s), and allows you to wear the appropriate embroidered "rocker" badge of rank (available for a very minimum cost) on your shirt, helmet bag, etc., as well as rank decals to put on your armor bin. You will also have access to select "challenge coin" runs, receive (free) a cool certificate for your new rank, and have your title posted below your name in your FISD signature. Plus, once you reach these levels, you will have the extra knowledge to help out those who are looking to apply as well. 6. "Is it hard to apply, and what happens then"? After basic approval, all you do is make sure your armor is up to the standards set forth in the CRL, post a thread with the required photos in the appropriate area (see below), and wait a bit for the D.O.s (Deployment Officers) to address it. (Hint: Studying other people's threads before you submit can be a GREAT help). These are also listed on the main page of the FISD site. While waiting for approval, you will get some comments from others who will offer suggestions and constructive advice to help you out. If you should need any changes, the DOs will let you know, so you can adjust accordingly. Don't be dismayed if you do need changes... it's all for your benefit! After you are approved for EIB, then you can submit for Centurion. EIB https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/forum/19-request-expert-infantryman-status/ Centurion https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/forum/72-request-centurion-status/ Just remember that the FISD is here to help you every step of the way with whatever other questions you may have, but if you can't seem to find what you are looking for in your research, just ask away here on the forums! With Unquestioned Loyalty Joseph Pedigo TK-10963 "justjoseph63" Deployment Officer This area lists all those who have gone above and beyond basic approval toward screen accuracy. FOR JUNE-JULY the 1st Imperial Stormtrooper Detachment would like to congratulate: Expert Infantry Badge Award: http://i.imgur.com/NONNvGc.png?2 Jared Orland "Jared" TK 11372 EIB 841 Jordan "Commander Gree" TK 21523 EIB 842 Markus Vock "Maxl" TK 15315 EIB 843 Jenny Mehan "JenEcho" TK 21615 EIB 844 Jeff "StrmTRPR85" TK 22706 EIB 845 Jeff Rich "11b30b4" TK 20980 EIB 846 Brett Dellit "Edgar Frogg" TK 92577 EIB 847 Andy Gabbitas "gabby7095" TK 20001 EIB 848 GREAT job on your approval, now on to Level 3! Request your free EIB certificate here Centurion Badge Award: http://www.whitearmor.net/eib/centurion_badge.png Jose Castro "Jose" TK 52410 Centurion 406 Outstanding job on reaching Centurion, Troopers! Request your free Centurion certificate here If you see any of these Troopers around your Garrison or Squad, be sure to congratulate them! As many of you are aware, the FISD is currently in our March to 1000 program. Our goal is to reach the one thousand mark of Troopers who have earned their Expert Infantry Badge, and although we are well on our way to this goal and have just passed the 800 mark! The amount of approved submissions is increasing (over 80 this year alone) thanks to the dedication of those willing to go the "extra mile" toward screen accuracy. Here is a brief description of EIB as written by Paul (Daetrin), our founder: "Expert Infantryman status is not required for members of this detachment. It should be viewed as an optional set of requirements for those who wish to take the accuracy of their costumes to the next level, and be recognized accordingly. We're a costuming club - think of it as an award for costuming excellence and you get the picture. The requirements will not replace or supersede 501st standards, but only serve as an inspiration for the level of accuracy that can be achieved. The standards are meant to be high but achievable..." Besides the added pride you will have in your armor, those reaching this level can purchase exclusive EIB gear (patches, decals, coins etc.) and get a free certificate for your accomplishment. If you are interested or would like more information about the program head here that will help. You can also contact myself "Pretzel" or any Imperial Attaché, and we will be more than happy to assist you! FISD Merch Reform The FISD for sale and merchandise rules have been in a place for a long time - they were liberally taken directly from CTN (the 501st clonetroopers detachment) and haven’t had to be tweaked much in 10+ years. For the most part things have been going well, however we’ve seen an increasing amount of reports of buyers making demands that fall outside reasonable expectations. We have had more than one occasion during merch runs, where a member files a PayPal dispute immediately upon seeing someone else post that they have received their items, and the filing member has not received theirs yet. This is a major pain. It locks up the PayPal account of the person managing the run, and could potentially cause other members to panic and file claims. Nobody wins in this situation. It clogs up the management of the run, creates a mob mentality, and cannot lead to anything productive regarding possible resolution to what wasn't a problem until that PayPal dispute was filed. The run manager (whether the DMBO or not) is acting on behalf of the Detachment to include the membership, and going straight to PayPal disputes is disrespectful of everyone involved, to include other members who ordered the item(s). Filing PayPal disputes without seeking resolution or an answer from the run manager/Detachment Command Staff should carry a suspension of no more than 30 days - really it is the same as someone messing up the forum experience for others, except that this is actually messing with people's lives and money. To protect against this, the following changes are being made to merch runs for FISD effective immediately: 1. Buyers have 30 days from shipment to report a missing or lost item for domestic runs. Sellers are only required to retain proof of shipment for 30 days. Why? Domestic shipments should normally arrive in about 7 days. Some people are claiming items never shipped 5 months after a run was closed, which is way too long to ask people to retain shipping material. If your domestically shipped item hasn’t arrived after 30 days IOW, you lose the right to claim it was never shipped. 2. Buyers have 60 days from shipment to report a missing/lost item for international runs. Most items are received in under 30 days, however we know some countries are pretty bad. Sellers must keep shipping documentation for 60 days on international items. If the shipper can provide tracking information (e.g. a tracking number for domestic or a customs form for international), they are not held liable for items lost or missing in the mail. Any concerns post them on the announcement thread due shortly. With Unquestioned Loyalty Paul Hoeffer TK8020 “Daetrin” Detachment Leader FISD Coffee Mugs - 2 Designs! $14 each + $5 shipping in the US + $10 shipped international Sales thread here Design One Design Two FISD Brothers in Arms Sticker 3.5 inch round stickers $4.00, shipping included Reference: Brothers in Arms Thread here paypal [email protected] Phasma Coin $10 shipped US International buyers email for quote: [email protected] Thread here Riot Control Coin $10 shipped US International buyers email for quote: [email protected] Thread here FISD Classic Style Patch $5 shipped US International buyers email for quote: [email protected] Thread here Newsletter We are always on the look out for content, ideas, funny photos or even your TK adventure story so feel free to contact either Danny, Tim, Marcus, Preston or myself. 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As mentioned in the group’s “About” section, it can and should be used as a “springboard to your journey into the world of Stormtrooper costuming.” Recent topics were diverse and ranged from weapon repair advice to 3D prints, from trooping pics to seeking recommendations for S-trims, patch vendor, and women’s size white boots. Random stats time: 970+ group members 142 posts made over the last 60 days 1093 comments made over the last 60 days Most popular day of the week to post, comment on or react to content: Tuesday 35-54-year-olds make up 63.6% of the group members Top countries: 617 members (US), 92 (Canada), 57 (UK), 46 (Germany), 26 (Australia) With Unquestioned Loyalty Marcus Dohring TK-14057 “JODOKAST” PRO - Facebook Group With Unquestioned Loyalty Tim Waychoff TK-51878 “Dark CMF” PRO - Facebook Group Don't Forget We're on Facebook and Twitter! Facebook: www.facebook.com/whitearmor If you're on FB, stop by and say hi, ask questions, and share stories! 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Ideally the strips would be the same size. But from the pictures it doesn't jump right at you that one is wider then other. The question is how far are you going? Basic or hopefully Centurion. Unless you have a super strict GML you can get approval with what you have so far. Higher levels I think the fronts would need to be same. Tony or Joseph can answer that one. And not to skip ahead but I have a WTF and you're gonna want to hot water bath that left bicep to make rounder. And Shingate spoiler: longer pcs. go on outside for when you get to them.

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Well this post don`t have much to to with the FOTK but did you notice that stuff in the top right corner in previous post? does it look familiar now when you look at it? If you think it`s TK parts you are correct….I have in between my own builds also been building a hybrid TK for my son and I wasn`t going to post about it but obviously changed my mind, it`s not "enough" for a build thread so decided to put it up here just to show my friends what I´m up to Apologies if this is to much of a side track. This is how far we gotten, I say we because my son has been cutting and sanding as well and the goal is to have him joining the Galactic Acadamy (he`s 16 come november) in time for Heroes Comic Con in September so we can troop officially together. Anyway...the hybrid part of it is as he has an FX kit and black series helmet and I bought a torso section from Anovos when they offered parts. I also had a kittle belt laying around from when I was going to modify my FX kit (oh yes I have one too) but I got some better armor instead so...now you might think why did you get TM and RS armor for yourself and your son "get stuck" with FX?? Well….I´m not to sure he`s totally in to the whole beeing a Stormtrooper as much as wanting to make me happy so if and when he decides he wants to be a full member of the 501st when he`s 18 I will see to it he does so in style, this hybrid will work for now Beeing a hybrid and all I still want it to look as good as possible so the outside is with Centurion specs but the inside is not built using the screen accurate method. Okey. as I said this is the progress up untill today..oh drop boxes and hand plates are RS and the TD is TM and I also used my TM bells to trim the FX ones to a little nicer shape Today I started on the FX belt and timmed it down as much as possible, glued on some snap plates so it`s easy to replace with something more accurate down the road, made the angle cuts and lined up the drop boxes and glued down the elastic. Next was to connect chest and back and after fitting I simply drilled for the snaps instead of making a snap plate and gluing that...I promise it gets hidden by the shoulder bridges Promise kept Bridges are held on with velcro, did the other one,,,, ...and then I installed snaps for the shoulder bells to finish the connections for the torso Pics to follow show the connections, outside Centurion in mind - inside easy to take apart in mind..except for the butt/kidney plate but they are basicly the same size as the ab so no real need to be able to take those apart.

I'd like to make a few points here. It's nice to offer help when you're a master builder here but take in consideration that this recruit is new and nervous and is dealing with a commissioned set. So his building expertise is limited. Your post came in kinda HOT and didn't end well with saying another Troopers idea is " Stupid" Remember, Troopers helping Troopers! My other point is I have a friend who commissioned a set from RS and I helped him with final fitting for approval and I had to restitch all the snaps for him. RS doesn't put much stitch to them. Really just enough to get it out the door. Learning to fix your armor will come in time. Good Luck with fixes and approval!

wow. Your helmet work makes me want to re-do everything about mine. This is a compliment. Impressive work.

This is normally done with snaps and black elastic or nylon strapping. Some use Velcro, but I don't recommend that for frequent trooping. You should check out some of the Centurion submission threads here for ideas and photos: https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/forum/72-request-centurion-status/ Here is a diagram of a strapping system using the "double snap" system which works great:

I had some issues with the end caps being the same size as the tube. We ended up putting the tube on a belt sander and got rid of a bit of the edge, and then heated the ends up in some warm water and they extended over easy and look perfect.