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The various types of armor and where to find them

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First and foremost...

 

There is no one 'best' armor. There is a 'best' armor for *you* depending on a few factors:

1) Your budget

2) What your body size is (yes, different armors lend themselves for different body types) *

3) How experienced are you at building armor

4) It's not the kit, it's how it's fitted to the wearer that counts *

 

While FISD does not endorse any particular armor maker, below are sellers who have proven themselves time and again in terms of customer service, honesty, and quality.

 

All makes below can be made to be both 501st and FISD acceptable.

 

MATERIALS

Armor is made from either HIPS or ABS.

HIPS

--- Pros: generally less expensive, easier to trim.

--- Cons: needs painting or serious polishing to look shiny. Most HIPS will not be as durable as ABS or take the stress of ABS

--- Suitability: will hold up fine for regular trooping

 

ABS

--- Pros: no need to paint, high durability

--- Cons: may lack the detail of HIPS, usually harder to trim

--- Suitability: will hold up fine for regular trooping plus take a lot of abuse

 

OTHER TERMS

Untrimmed: means the kit comes untrimmed and you'll have to trim the parts before starting assembly.

Trimmed: parts are pre-trimmed and you can start assembling right away

ANH Derived: traces back to a screen used helmet. Armor came from an incomplete ROTJ suit that was supplemented with parts from a tour suit, with this base being modified to be more ANH accurate in detailing. Parts will need to be butt joined with a finishing strip glued on top.

 

* ON SIZING

ANH Derived armor (TE2, AP) was sculpted for a typical UK actor circa 1976, e.g. 5'10" and 165lbs. While good for smaller body types, it has been successfully made to fit people as large as 6'4" 235lbs though requires a bit of shimming to pull this off.

 

1. If you are taller or larger in frame/girth, you may want to consider AM, RT, or TM armor makes for easier fitting.

2. If you are shorter, while ANH derived armor may lend itself to your size, even FX armor has been made to fit and look good on people as small as 5'6" and 115lbs (and smaller!).

3. RT has upsized his helmet by 4-5% which makes it equivalent to the size of the old FX but is more accurate in appearance.

 

So, while it's true that every kit has a certain ideal body type, every make has been made to fit every body type and still look good.

 

Who to Avoid

1. Be aware that this site - http://www.stormtroo...s.com/home.html - is not considered commercially available. It is run by a person selling recast parts, and at a healthy premium over what you can buy direct from vetted sources. You've been warned...

2. Do not buy from e-bay - kits are over-priced, the quality is often dubious, and always recast.

 

 

VETTED MAKERS

While there are many other sources for armor, the list below only contains those who have proven track records of honest business dealings, quality craftsmanship, and that are free from recast debates. You are certainly free to buy where you will, but if you vary this list we strongly encourage that you at least do your due diligence inquiring about the seller's quality and reputation before parting with your money.

 

=== ANH DERIVED ARMOR ===

 

 

Type: ATA (Affordable Trooper Armor)

Country: USA

Contact: Supertrooper on FISD / ATAworks@yahoo.com, please email for armor inquiries.

Kit: ABS (HIPS by request), untrimmed, ANH derived

Availability No known problems.

Assembly: Armor needs to be trimmed, parts butt joined with finishing strips, HIPS needs to be painted.

Comments: The quality of HIPS material is such that it is the most durable of all HIPS armor makes. ABS is a custom made ABS for color, gloss, and durability, so you can order it either way and feel confident.

 

Type: Authenticprops (AP)

Country: Canada

Contact: authenticprops@hotmail.com

Kit: .080 gloss white ABS, can be ordered Untrimmed, Fully trimmed (ready for assembly) or Ready to Wear out of box.

kit includes correct split rivets and cap rivets for centurion build and optional white rubber hand guards and C02 metal clips.

ANH Derived. Helmet is screen derived but cleaned up with a smooth cap and back. Armor similar to TE2 but with some parts being different. The AP helmet includes resin hovi mic tip replicas, Centurion approved painted look decals, green acetate lens, inner drop boxes, rubber brow/neck trim and all correct hardware to assemble helmet.

Availability: No known problems obtaining this, though there is a waiting list.

Options: untrimmed, fully trimmed, fully built- ready to wear/modify. Options for helmet upgrades, belt upgrades and other options. Contact AP for detailed pricing. The ABS is bright white and has a semi-gloss finish like the originals. Now you can order a fully built helmet with advanced upgrades. upgrades include: chinstraps, cloverleaf helmet foam, and darker lenses. Options must be ordered when contacting.

Assembly: requires cover-strip and butt-joining for assembly.

Comment: To fit a wider range of body types AP added 3" inch extensions to the sides of the AB and Kidney plates for a total of 6" extra inches to easily fit up to 38" waist, also added 2" inches to all legs parts for a seamless authentic look without the need of shimming, extra material can be easily trimmed to original size or custom trimmed to perfectly fit your size, also includes matching ABS strips in the event you still need shimming.

 

Type: RS Prop Masters

Country: UK

Contact: studio@rspropmasters.com or http://www.rspropmasters.com/

Kit: 1.5mm ABS or 1.5mm PVC, untrimmed or ready-to-wear, only 1st Generation cast of an original ANH armor. Is Expert Infantry ready out of the box, and Centurion ready with very little work on the accessories (hand guards and such).

Availability: 3-5 days

Assembly: Parts are untrimmed and requires cover-strip and butt-joining for assembly. Can be ordered pre-assembled for an additional fee.

Options:

1. Helmet + Armour - Kit

2. Armor only - Kit

3. Helmet - Kit

4. Helmet - Fully finished and hand painted

5. Armor + Helmet - Armor trimmed to your specification but not assembled + Fully finished helmet.

6. "Fully loaded" - Accessory package, when bought together with armor. Contains strapping kit, latex handguards, rubber gloves, canvas belt, etc..

All prices are excluding shipping.

Comments: The only 1st Generation cast of an original ANH armor. Comes unaltered with all the good and bad that brings. May require more skill to assemble than other kits. Extremely accurate when assembled with care. Armour is more generous than SDS or AP, but not as large as RT-Mod or AM.

 

Type: RWA (RWA Creations)

Country: Isle of Wight, UK

Contact: Email to rwacreations@gmail.com .. Facebook: RWA Creations

Availability: 6 weeks

Kit: ANH, ESB untrimmed kit in 1.5mm ABS, 2mm ABS, 2mm Acrylic capped. Black or White.

Options: Helmet assembly service or fully finished (excluding padding). Neck seals, Canvas Belts, Aluminium Thermal detonator clips. 2" longer shins available on request.

 

Type: T/MC

Country: USA

Contact: tray@traynichols.com or PM Tray on the FISD boards

Kit: .090 ABS, untrimmed, ANH Derived. Helmet is screen derived. Armor similar to TE2 and AP but with some parts being different and others being modified. The left inner shin is a duplicate of the right outer shin. The arms (Bicep, forearm and shoulders) are the same, there is no unique left and right arm. The helmet comes with resin cast hovi mic tips, which are acceptable for EIB use, and all assembly material excluding paint. Comes with your choice of Smoked gray bubble lenses or flat dark green lenses. This is most comparable to AP with some slight changes.

Availability: 3-4 months for delivery and sometimes sooner than that.

Assembly: Seams are overlapping joints making it a reasonably easy build, though one can use finishing strips instead.

Comments: The armor is ABS, not bright white and glossy like FX. Due to material thickness lines are a little softer than some other makers. Should shine well with Mr Sheen.

NOTE: available in black too!

 

Type: WTF (Walt)

Country: USA

Contact: Walt on FISD

Kit: ABS, untrimmed, ANH derived

Availability Current wait times are 6-8 weeks.

Assembly: Armor needs to be trimmed, parts butt joined with finishing strips.

Comments: No issues with quality or service reported to date.

 

=== ANH FAN SCULPT === 

 

Type: Troopermaster ( TM )

Country: UK

Contact: Please see info contained in for sale threads when posted.

Availability: PM to ask, varies

Kit: ABS, fan sculpt. Reputedly the most accurate fan sculpt. Seams on legs and arms are butt-joins with cover strips. Available in ANH, ESB and ROTJ (and snowtroopers)

Options: untrimmed, trimmed or ready to wear.

Comments: This is really beautiful armour and extremely movie-accurate. It comes at the price of being pretty tricky to assemble though, with potentially a long wait for supply. TM now supplies all his armour in acrylic-capped ABS. His ABS suits are incredibly glossy and, if assembled with care, look fabulous. Armour is more generous than SDS or AP, but not as large as RT-Mod or AM, although he also offers an XL shin for taller/bigger troopers.

 

Type: RT-Mod (RT)

Country: Canada

Contact: trooper7@shaw.ca

Kit: ABS, trimmed, fan sculpt. More accurate than FX/AM but not as much as TM/TE2/AP. 

Availability: Currently about a 12 month wait.

Assembly: Parts are trimmed and designed to be easy to put together (regarded as one of the easiest kits to assemble). Helmet comes assembled.

Options: ANH Stunt and Hero helmets are available.

Comments: Designed especially for taller/larger body types and has more capacity to fit these troopers (without shims) than TM or AM. Arm and legs molds can be adjusted up or down to custom fit measurments supplied by trooper.  The armor and helmet are sculpted at 4% larger than an original kit. The difference is subtle but makes fitting/sizing much easier for taller/larger troopers (has been worn very easily by troopers from 6' to 6'5").

 

Type: AM (Armor Master)

Country: USA

Contact: troopersupplies@hotmail.com

Kit: ABS.  All body armor components including face piece and ear pieces are .090 ABS. The one piece dome/back is formed using .125 ABS, as this piece is formed over a rather deep mold and anything thinner can cause thin regions which will eventually crack or fracture.  White .060 ABS blanks included to cut as cover-strips.

Availability:   Normally 4-6 weeks or less. 

Assembly: Comes trimmed out of the box, but you will still be required to adjust for proper fit to your body size.  Good choice for large troopers, but can be cut down

Comments:   Chest and back molds have been updated to address past concerns, and are now acceptable to Centurion level.  They are now including a custom, die-cut Imperial cog themed helmet liner for the helmets, mounting velcro included. They're very comfortable and take three minutes to install.   Hovis are professionally cast aluminum.  Hero helmets are now available.

 

=== ROTJ ARMOR ===

 

Type: CFO - note this is for ROTJ armor only (ideal for ROTJ, TK Commander, or Incinerator Troopers).

Country: UK

Contact: PM Sskunky on FISD

Kit: ABS or HIPS untrimmed. Kits can come in lite, full, assembled and weathered please inquire for prices and custom orders. ABS is standard and screen accurate. We can make the armour in any colour HIPS with a 25% deposit. Kits come complete with all plastic parts.

Helmets come with resin mic tips cast from an original, black rubber trims, decals and lenses all subject to availability and stock.

Availability: Kits available at all times with approx 4 week turnaround time. We have a US distributor who will be able to ship kits within the USA.

Assembly: Parts are trimmed and designed to be easy to put together - along with RT is the easiest kit to build.

Comments: These suits are cast from original therefore there will be warps, lumps, bumps etc. present on the plastic. The original suits were made to fit actors in the region of 5'10" and 180lb.... there is some flexibility as with all armour which is down to assembly. This armour is no way sanitised or idealised, it is a true representation of what is seen on screen in STAR WARS "The Return Of The Jedi".

Other Notes: Hand guards O2 canister/detonator detail and end caps, belt, knee belt and shoulder straps are own sculpt. Necessary/minimal sharpening was done to the moulds to attain the correct level of sharpness lost from the original fibreglass moulds obtained from Cameron Oakley. The original shape and contours are intact and the details and edges have been sharpened as documented in various threads on the FISD and other prop forums.

 

=== ROGUE ONE ARMOR === 

Type: Jimmiroquai

Country: PI

Contact: email jimmiroquai@yahoo.com

Kit: Kits are lightweight flexible fiberglass. 

Availability: PM to ask, varies

Assembly: Fully trimmed and partially assembled, e.g. if it fits out of the box one can go straight to rigging and painting.

Comments: No issues with quality or service reported to date.

 

=== FIRST ORDER (The Force Awakens | The Last Jedi) ARMOR === 

Type: Jimmiroquai

Country: PI

Contact: email jimmiroquai@yahoo.com

Kit: Kits are lightweight flexible fiberglass.  Can come with both TFA or TLJ details.

Availability: PM to ask, varies

Assembly: Untrimmed.

Comments: No issues with quality or service reported to date.

 

 

=== NO LONGER MADE ===

 

Type: TE2

Country: USA

Contact: HDPblues on FISD

Kit: HIPS, untrimmed, ANH derived

Availability: None, since a long time. Best to look elsewhere.

Assembly: Armor needs to be trimmed, parts butt joined with finishing strips, then painted.

Comments: Helmet is considered very screen accurate. While he rarely makes armor anymore, he's a solid buy if you find any.

 

Type: FX

Availability: No longer made. Do not buy this armor - we list it only for posterity in case you pick up a suit second hand from a current Legion member.

Kit: ABS, trimmed, fan sculpt.

Comments: The armor can be made to be FISD EI acceptable for about $50 and an afternoon of work. The helmet is not acceptable by any Detachment's program, and many GML's are no longer allowing it to be accepted at the Legion level.

 

Type: Older/Original AM (1.0) NE

Country: USA

Contact: troopergear@gmail.com

Kit: .090 gauge ABS - trimmed - Fan sculpt

Availability: N/A

Assembly: Butt joining required for the legs. Arms can be overlapped but trimming those overlaps off and butt joining is recommended. Comes trimmed out of the box, but you will still be required to trim for proper fit to your body size.

Comments: An updated version of the older AM kits with a more accurate helmet and some other accessories. Best suited for the larger troopers who can have problems fitting into screen-sized kits. Comes in full or "lite" kits. Lite kits come without helmet, ABS cement or polish.

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Wow, you are making it way too easy for the newbie-newbies. :P

 

This newbie did a lot of digging and cloak & dagger research to learn all this. :lol:

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Very informative.

Can I just add that you really shouldn't use Mr Sheen on your armor as it does contain amonia which will in time yellow AbS. Best to find a polish without this in it.

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novus polish is the best!

Edited by TK Bondservnt 2392

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Wouldn't all the armor except for TM be ROTJ derived? I was under the impression that all the suits that were available right (with obvious exceptions) now were cast from the suit that TE's cohort pulled from a trash can at Elstree Studios, which was a beaten up ROTJ suit.

Edited by TK-7980

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Wouldn't all the armor except for TM be ROTJ derived? I was under the impression that all the suits that were available right (with obvious exceptions) now were cast from the suit that TE's cohort pulled from a trash can at Elstree Studios, which was a beaten up ROTJ suit.

 

I was thinking the same thing.

 

Plus I wouldn't say that TM is tricky to assemble, since the pieces line up perfectly, the only thing that might be "tricky" is the absence of trimming lines. AP is much more tricky since the pieces don't line up properly and some heavy tweaking is required for a perfect build.

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I was thinking the same thing.

 

Plus I wouldn't say that TM is tricky to assemble, since the pieces line up perfectly, the only thing that might be "tricky" is the absence of trimming lines. AP is much more tricky since the pieces don't line up properly and some heavy tweaking is required for a perfect build.

 

I found the lack of trimming lines on the TM to be an advantage. It gives you quite a lot of leeway for trimming to size.

There's quite a lot of allowance to trim outside the natural (invisible) line of the parts (for extra girth). Equally you can trim quite a way inside that same natural line to make slimmer-fitting parts.

I found it a joy to work with.

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Great thread Boss!

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from the shadows of the past, into the light of day goes the 501st only armor listing!

 

woo hoo... open forum!

 

yeah baby yeah!

 

parts line up just fine on the AP kit.

"a perfect build" does not exist.

Edited by TK Bondservnt 2392

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Thank you so much! I knew some of the makers but not all of them. Butt... what about SDS?

 

SDS is not considered reputable as there have been many issues with regards to shipping and order fulfillment, and thus we do not include him on the list.

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Paul

 

The quote above is incorrect:

 

Armor came from an ROTJ tour suit that was modified to be more ANH accurate. Parts will need to be butt joined with a finishing strip glued on top.

 

The donor armour was an original JEDi set not tour but was made up with a a few tour pieces.

 

Please delete this post...

 

Joe

Edited by JoeR

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Paul

 

The quote above is incorrect:

 

 

 

The donor armour was an original JEDi set not tour but was made up with a a few tour pieces.

 

Please delete this post...

 

Joe

 

So noted - why delete if the content is accurate?

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Nevermind, but you have a typo up there, it's HPDblues, got the P and D switched. I went AP anyway though, but just thought I'd note that for any other n00bs like me.

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Wow, you are making it way too easy for the newbie-newbies. :P

 

This newbie did a lot of digging and cloak & dagger research to learn all this. :lol:

Well this newbie-newbie is happy that he no longer has to sift through piles of acronyms that mean near to nothing. I spent a few months just trying to figure the places to not go (very clear on that btw) but never really gave a breakdown of where and how to go about doing this stuff.

It does warm my heart to not see 'well, newbie, go find it out for yourself' has lessened. When I first hopped on and browsed around, figuring stuff out, I got a lot of go to link X but it had already expired and there were no more repeats of that vital information.

Edited by Moot

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Yeah I agree with Moot. I tried looking around the other detachment forums in the legion and after at least a couple of hours of browsing through each I still have no idea how to go about getting a kit for the character the detachment represented. But here it only takes 5 minutes or less to familiarize yourself with that info.

 

In short. The FISD. Best detachment. :lol:

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Wow, this thread is awesome and will probably come handy for this newbie. Thank you!

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Thank you for posting this. I am putting together a Shadow Stormtrooper currently and someday a ANH Stormtrooper so this helps a bunch.

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