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Great photos Don, we look forward to seeing more of this project in the near future.

Discussing with LMO's now. Couple of things firstly lets try and not mix all the references. Animated is animated and action figures show a more realistic version. I know I've said it before, action figures really should not be the sole source of a costume if it's not seen on screen, but what are we to do in all honesty. LMO's will allow it then we work with it. I'll add to this that as LMO's change, so do the views of their office and what is and is not allowed. We can also push back to a degree. I'll now move this back around to your current questions. Use the action figure and I would suggests the Black series to determine the correct colour grey. If that looks shiny then we go for shiny. If it looks Satin, we go for satin etc. This also means that the brow trim 100% will need to be gold as per the references. The twin II on the calfs will remain as that was decided upon/approved by an LMO last year. keep up the great work Dino, cant wait to see this fully complete.

I think it's safe to say, we will be replacing all photos in this CRL with a new model at the top included. As to the fore arms, this may be a little more difficult. Currently we have no maker that supplies them accurately. If this mod is not reasonably easy to make, then we are basically stopping many from reaching Centurion based on this item alone. My take on updates is simple. If it's generally an easy mod, then make the change. If it is not, then work towards making it easy, like I have done with the Thermal Detonator. (commissioned someone to make a 3D file so the changes that should be present are present and make it accessible for any that want to achieve that accuracy). If we want to make a change like this, then I would suggest we need more imagery and clear shots from several angles to make sure we have enough information and at least attempt to get someone onboard to make it available so anyone can achieve it, not just a few that are well practiced or skilled. Glen will state most things are easy but he has built more costumes and armour than anyone I know lol, so that doesn't count .

This is an interesting one Dino. In most cases, TK's are shiny, gloss finish, and when looking at the two action figures, one is more reflective than the other. The only time we see a Matt or non gloss finish is on the TLJ Executioner troopers black details like Shoulder bell, helmet and Yolk of the back plate. If there is no clear descriptor for the grey areas, then I will discuss further with the LMO's and get back to you. In saying this, when looking at the animated images, it looks to be more a Matt finish than it would a shiny one. I'll keep you posted.

Each costume has its own or forms part of, a Detachment. We look after Stormtroopers, but even they are categorized and spread into different Detachments based on colour, weathering etc. Glen has given you a link to the home not only of our dark lord himself, but other Sith lords from the Star Wars universe. You may find other costumes you one day might also like to build. You are always welcome here to keep us up to date on your journey into this great hobby, so whether you decide to be Vader or something else, always pop in and say Hi!

D ring info added.

Yes I think at centurion we can push for the finer details on the blasters for sure. Electro Prod and Riot Batton additions look good

I agree that the description of the center detail isn't great. I had to read it a couple of times to understand it myself. We need a better description for it, perhaps a few more words can help. "The top center of the chest plate has a recessed section. The upward facing surface and sides of this have black details which can be painted or decals."

Yes I am aware of the link, maybe I should have been a little clearer on what I had meant. The front facing image could have the tabs in place without the need to use the gallery or link. The same would go for an updated TD showing better detail. If we want the best representation, the model images should be taken from a centurion approved model. We can still have an extended gallery for close ups, but that is of no use if someone has simply downloaded the CRL via PDF and the links are then gone.

Here is an all in one update of what the CRL might look like so far. I will add this to the first post so as the discussion progresses I shall update that one until we are happy with how it reads. I have highlighted some of the typos that currently exist but the more eyes we have across it, the better it will be. White is existing text in the CRL Green is additions and corrections Red is what exists but requires change/removal Helmet Lenses are smoky brown or gray in color. They may be bubble in shape or flat and must be sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. A single silver aerator/mic tip cylinder is on lower left side of the wearer's chin. The frown is solid black and covered in black hexagonal mesh that extends to the tears. Each tear (area beneath the corners of eye lenses) is solid black. Seven cut out tube stripe slots are on each side of the helmet. Two clip greeblies are present over the traps on the side. Two clip greebles are present on the top of the helmet, parallel to the trap greeblies. The clip greeblies must be the correct TLJ version. Along the base of the helmet a black stripe runs from the side of the helmet and across the back to the other side. There is a slight groove that circumvents circles the helmet above the brow. There is a slight grove that circumvents circles the helmet along the bottom and over the chin. A brow of solid black material spans from the traps over the lenses. Directly below the traps toward the base of the helmet is a small trapezoidal stripe. Mouth area is angled and has 7 teeth with mesh/grill behind. Neckseal Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area. The neck seal may close at the front or the rear. OPTIONAL Level OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The neck seal must close at the front using a zipper enclosure. Ideally, the neckseal shall have 11 ribs. · The neckseal has a glossy finish. Chest Plate The chest plate overlaps the abdominal plate. The center-top of the chest plate is recessed and black on the side and upward facing edges. A smaller clasp greeblie shall be present on each side of the chest, just inside a small indented area the size of the greeblie. There is a slight groove running vertical on each lateral side of the chest that angles toward the center. Six recessed black ovals are on the wearer's right side, left of the greeblie. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Grooves on sides of chest should show clear separation. Six recessed black ovals are cut out and backed with black material. Back/Yoke The back plate contains a "O II" design, and the O is black in color. ·There are no visible seams on the back/yoke. The yoke portion extends over the wearer's shoulders and curves under the armpits. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): A support tab extending from the outside top arch of the yoke shall be present. The support tab should be of a sturdy material, white in color. Need to include an image of the support tab Thermal Detonator The thermal detonator mounting plate sits under the back plate and rests above the belt. The control panel is black. The right hand recessed end cape is black. The lefthand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is black all around the cylinder as well as the end surface. The left-hand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is all black. · There should be no visible seams A visible seam is permissible between the detonator assembly piece and the detonator mounting plate. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Small section of black around the base of the left extended end cap shall be present. The slot that runs across the top of the detonator shall have a black decal or be painted black at the bottom of the groove. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The endcap is part of an inner cylinder that slides into the detonator assembly. The cylinder is completely painted black. It is visible through the top grove and back window(control Panel) The slot that runs across the top of the detonator should be cut through so the inserted black cylinder is visible Shoulder Gaskets Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges. The shoulder gaskets must cover all exposed areas under the shoulder bell, between the bicep and chest, and between bicep and back. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): · Gaskets shall be made of rubber. Fabric gaskets are not acceptable. Shoulder Bells One on each shoulder. The shoulders are considered effectively symmetrical. They may be worn interchangeably on the left and right shoulders. Shoulders have small round extension at the top under the bell itself that butts up against the yoke. } Biceps Biceps have one seam that faces forward, and a seam on the inside of the arm. The rest of the bicep must be seamless. A clip greeblie is present low and across the seam. Two black ovals are present on the outside-facing side of the bicep. · OPTIONAL Level OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Trapezoid detail and ridges in bicep must be present (small detailed section). The inner seam should be overlapped. Seams can be fixed or functional. Elbow Gaskets Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges. The elbow gaskets must cover all exposed areas between the bicep and forearm. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Gaskets shall be made of rubber. Fabric gaskets are not acceptable Forearms Forearms shall have have ridged rail, similar to a picatinny, embedded on the inside of the forearm, roughly covered 1/3rd by a box shape. Forearms shall have a box on the bottom of the wrist end. Each box shall have a single black square in the lower inside corner. Each forearm shall have two 'clasp greeblies' on the outside facing surface, near the wrist. ·Detail box includes black rectangle on small edge perpendicular and closest to wrist. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): On the ridged rail the third retaining button head closest to elbow is to be painted grey or is a grey decal. · The boxes should sit against the forearm with minimal to no gap. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The seam between the forearm boxes and the forearm should not be filled. The top (elbow end) of the forearms should be trimmed in the correct TLJ shape TFA cut is not permissible. Gloves/Handplates Are black with white palm, thumb and forefinger. Extend underneath the forearm. White area is made from leather or leather-like material. Handplates are rigid square boxes and the hand plates are mounted securely over the back of the glove. The recessed oval detail is aligned with the index finger of each hand. A black decal or paint may be used to emulate the recessed oval detail. ¨ OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Glove palm must have black stitching. Abdomen Section The abdomen section must wrap around the wearer's body without a visible seam. ·The abdomen has 7 boxes attached that match the order and placement shown against the armor. The large box has a small black recessed square on the lower left to the wearer. The second box to the right of the wearer has a small black recessed rectangle near the top. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The boxes should sit against the abdominal plate with minimal to no gaps. · OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The seams between the abdominal armor and the 7 boxes should not be filled. Codpiece · The codpeice sits below the abdomen and under the belt. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ·TLJ correct cod is required. Must replace image with correct cod OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Posterior armor The posterior armor sits below the abdomen and under the belt. Belt The belt is ribbed and made from a rubber or a rubber like material. The width of the belt is approximately 2" (50mm). Five white rectangular boxes and one pouch sit on the belt. There are 2 horizontal boxes on the front, on each side of the center. They are painted white on the outside half and black on the inside half. There are 2 vertical boxes on the right of the wearer. There is a large vertical black pouch with a white cover behind the left side of the wearer. A small black cloth pouch is worn on the left side and hides the buckle or remaining belt material. Undersuit An undergarment must be worn such that the space between the thighs and the belt shows a black material. The black material may be shiny or matte. The reference photo shows the type used on screen but is not required for basic approval. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The shorts area of the undersuit should be shiny. Thighs There are seams on the inside and outside of the thighs. A clip greeblie is present high and across the outside seams of each thigh. The right outside thigh to the wearer includes a base for a holster (holster must be present). · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Holster must be shown to be Functional. Knee Gaskets Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges. The knee gaskets must cover all exposed areas between the thigh and shin. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Gaskets shall be made of rubber. Fabric gaskets are not acceptable. Knee Plates The knee plates mirror each other and are placed evenly between the thigh and the shin. Convex edge of knee plate faces upward. Shins There are seams on the inside and outside of the shins, with the opening on the inside. A clip greeblie is present high and across the outside seams of each shin. The wearer's left outside shin includes two vertical thin boxes that are seamless. There is a rounded rectangle at the bottom outer front of each shin, which is visible above the spat. The recessed area is black. Spats The spats wrap around the lower ankle, just below the black ankle rectangles. The spats are enclosed on the outside of the ankle with a greeblie that overlaps the open side. There is a visible seam on the inside of the ankle. Boots The boots are above-ankle height, and made of white leather or leather-like material. There is a seam down both sides of the front that swoops out to the side of the foot. There is a vertical zipper on the inside that spans the height of the boot. There is a black flat sole with no heel. No buckles or laces. Optional Accessories Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use. Shoulder Pauldron A red, white, or black ornament made of rigid plastic or plastic-like material, worn over the right shoulder. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Must not be worn with riot baton or riot shield. Ammo Pouch One three slot German MP-40 style ammo pouch on the left shoulder. Pouch is black in color and made of canvas, leather or leather-like material. Pouch stitching must be black. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Ammo Vest Black cordura or cordura-type material covering the chest armor. There are two straps attached to the outer top edges of the vest, going around the shoulders to connect to clips on each side of the vest. An additional strap starts along the bottom of the vest and goes around the wearer. There are 5 ammo pouches present. There are 3 white plates mounted along the top of the 3 central ammo pouches. Straps are connected with quick disconnects (clips). There are additional fabric bands across each ammo pouch. The outer two ammo pouches have front flaps present and closed. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Strapping should match reference photo. When worn, riot baton and riot shield must not be present. Riot baton The baton has a white base with two black triangles on both sides, a silver pommel, black side grips, and a silver handle perpendicular to the base. The end of the base has an extension roughly 1 foot long with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. ·There is a black strip running down the center of both sides of the extension. At the end of the extension, there are two white half cylinder arms each with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. The end of the half-cylinders are angled at roughly 45 degrees. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Riot shield and riot baton must both be present. Pauldron, backpack, ammo pouches and ammo vest shall not be worn with riot baton/riot shield combination. F-11D Blaster Blaster may be scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. · Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Working lights and working front torch are required. Front handle must be movable. F-11D Blaster Rifle (Heavy) Blaster may be scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. Similar to standard F-11D Blaster with extended stock attached. Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Working lights and working front torch are required. Front handle must be movable. NEW Additions: First Order Hand binders.

Welcome back Jason! Sounds like you are well occupied with projects so don't forget we love photos here

I must also agree, JR's post is spot on. One thing you will learn by spending time on our forums is the fact we have a lot of members who are very eager to help. We offer the best advice available, have the largest resource for Stormtroopers anywhere on the internet period. If a stormtrooper is where you wish to start your journey into white armour, 501st or otherwise, then we have your back. It has been mentioned already that research is the key, and that is 100% correct. In fact when you think about it, that serves for any hobby or sport a person wishes to look into. There is far too much information to fit in any one post, and it's too easy to lose that mass of info we have in a Social media platform so the forum is to this day still the best place to spend your time learning. Become educated, make the right decision for you, and let your journey into this awesome hobby begin. Best of luck with it Spike.

Yeah it's Jedi Robe alright. Give it a huge miss and buy something that is accurate. You wont regret it.

Trimming the ears is pretty much everyone's fear on their first armour build, but dont stress. The ears should have trim lines on them. Trim short of those leaving some room for fine tuning and further trimming and adjustment. Once you have some of the excess removed and you hold them against the sides of the helmet you will get a better idea of how much more you need to remove. There are a few other tricks to employ when you start getting closer to those trim lines but just take it slow, trim carefully and keep testing against the helmet for high and low points. Here is a great tutorial on Ears for you. https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/29238-my-helmet-ear-tutorial/

Welcome Rick. Glad the guys were quick to assist you. Good luck with your research and hope one of those makers recommended will get you on your way.

This is actually a more definitive image of the shape of the Cod piece, those lines really stand out here. Rotated the image so the cod is right way up lol.

Welcome to FISD Jarocho! You will find plenty of support here with many members eager to help you on your journey. I look forward to seeing you in your TK armour. Also please send my congratulations and greetings to the Panama outpost.

Make perfect sense to me. Seems odd that at present we don't have a mandatory weapon at EI, and as you say, we dont see them with a blaster on screen. In my humble opinion, an action photo always looks better with a weapon. This also means the way the current CRL is written, an approved executioner would be required to ask their GML if they would allow them to troop with a Blaster as they are not part of this CRL. We need to close that grey area, making it easier for members and GML's .

Full Japanese anime, that is awesome!!

I'm starting to think that the cap extension difference occurred based on how far the inner tube was inserted into the carriage on the TD's. They are clearly two separate parts, well 3 if you include the back plate. Also after reviewing TroS yet again, 90% of the troopers seen have the narrow TLJ style COD piece reinforcing the fact this is the most common used by far and that is also similar to the numbers seen in TLJ. Therefore this is the cod to be used for both those CRL's without a doubt. TFA parts were an anomaly and most probably because they required more armour for a couple of scenes. The exception and not the norm.

Oh very nice I just noticed in your photos of the forearms you are missing the grey dot or bolt on the picatiny rails. This can be a decal so you can alternate between TFA and TLJ with the same costume part currently. I'd have to check but this might be the same for your other application for TLJ. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): On the ridged rail the third retaining button head closest to elbow is to be painted grey or is a grey decal.

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I think we can as I asked Daniel directly for permission to post his story and images here. As long as we have his name attached to the images it should be fine. As you can imagine he is inundated with questions at present but he will be along on the forums to Q and A here as well.

Congratulations Dane! I just noticed none of the images in your first post are showing, all links are broken

Welcome John, great videos good luck on your progress.