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TKC Request for CRL Updates Thread  crl here

 

I have recently been contacted by a recruit who has supplied some images which differ with some in the CRL.

 

With my OCD I decided to do some of my own research into the costume and I too have picked up a few oddities, some of these may want to be added as options.
 


The recruit is disputing the cover strip method and has supplied one of the reference images of the arm, in it you can see the bicep which appears to be butt joined with a cover strip and there is also a gap underneath.

 

Overlap is required for L3 which is what he is disputing and asks the CRL be changed to allow either as there isn't enough proof.

 

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Also in this image it looks as if it has cover strips stops above the bottom ridge with no line going through the ridge like a overlap would.

 

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Very few images can be seen of the overlap method, one was posted in an earlier CRL thread by Mike "SolidsSkrafty" but in that photo the overlap goes outwards on the thighs and inwards on the calves, which is a little odd.

 

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I did find the following image and after Tony "ukswrath" had enlarged it you can see there is an overlap

 

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So due to proof of both styles (overlay or cover strip) should they both be allowable and if so for all levels?

 


Another thing the recruit pointed out was the position of the knee ammo belt, it can be clearly seen in a higher position than on OTTK's and does not appear to have the curve on the bottom of it nor does it appear to have a rivet in the corners.

 

*ADDED this was brought up previously in this thread

 

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A member already did the mod to be more screen accurate back in 2011

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I will also add a few things Randy "magni" has brought up earlier as well as going over some of my findings.

 

Rivets on the sides of the Ab section which is not mentioned in the CRL.

 

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ESB hand plates used on some screen grabs. (mods not included)

 

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ESB style holster on the left side, with loops over belt

 

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*Note third image is a sideshow fig.

 

 

Only 4 buttons on smaller ab plate on some not 5. (mods not included)

 

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Grey on front of drop boxes on some. (mods not included)

 

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Rivet on ends of belt, no cover squares on some. Also no cut off angle on corners of belt. . (mods not included)

 

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Shoulder straps not fixed at backplate on all versions

 

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Unlike ROTJ the kidney does not have rounded top corners

 

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There are also a few difference in the some of the blue lines but I think that would be a little hard to show every variance of those.

 

 

So the question is should some of these other inconsistencies be added as options?

 

I will number the points so it's easier to track comments.

 

1 Either overlap or butt join and cover strip method can be used

2 Either overlap or butt join and cover strip method can be used for all levels

3 Knee ammo belt should be positioned higher on the knee than OTTK with no rivets in top corners.

4 There are two rivets on the sides of ab section matching the back plate rivets

5 Either 4 or 5 buttons on smaller ab plate

6 Either white or grey belt box fronts

7 Either rivets or cover squares can be used on ends of belts (depending on whether the belt is straight or corners cut at angle)

8 Straight or angled cut corners can be used on end of belt (depending on the use of rivets or cover squares).

9 ANH or ESB hand plates can be used

10 Holster can be worn, it should be ESB style with loops over the belt and it is placed on the left of the wearer

*ADDED

11 5 button smaller ab plate is longer and first button is higher than the larger ab plate

12 Stripe on the helmet is stepped to the side once it goes over the brow trim and is angled. Blue paint on brow trim. The blue stripe also goes halfway through two of the grey teeth.

*ADDED

13 shoulder straps not fixed at backplate

14 unlike ROTJ the kidney does not have rounded top corners

15 not all have curved corners on butt plate

 

 

Please discuss and also include anything that may have been missed.

 

Screen grabs are preferred over images of figures, packaging or general artwork ;) 

 

 

To sum up:

 

1 Either overlap or butt join and cover strip method can be used - References for both methods provided

2 Either overlap or butt join and cover strip method can be used for all levels - References for both methods provided

3 Knee ammo belt should be positioned higher on the knee than OTTK with no rivets in top corners. - References provided

4 There are two rivets on the sides of ab section matching the back plate rivets - References provided

5  (mod reference)

6 (mod reference)

7 (mod reference) provided

8 (mod reference)

9  (mod reference)

10 Holster can be worn, it should be ESB style with loops over the belt and it is placed on the left of the wearer- References provided

11 5 button smaller ab plate is longer and first button is higher than the larger ab plate - References provided

12 Stripe on the helmet is stepped to the side once it goes over the brow trim and is angled. Blue paint on brow trim. The blue stripe also goes halfway through two of the grey teeth. - References provided

13 shoulder straps not fixed on all versions at backplate - References provided

14 unlike ROTJ the kidney does not have rounded top corners - References provided

15 not all have curved corners on butt plate - References provided

 

 

 

Suggested changes are in green. Alternative changes are in purple

 

Helmet
  • Traps (trapezoids on dome of helmet) and tears (area beneath the corners of eye lenses) are grey.
  • Rear traps and tears have vertical black lines.
  • Lenses are flat material, green in color, sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes.
  • The “ear” bars have three or four bumps and are grey or painted grey, with a black outline. Painting the bumps with rank stripes (highlighted) in black is optional.
  • Ears shall have a black horizontal anchor-like detail on each side of the ear bar.
  • Frown is painted grey and does not leave the teeth area. Eight total teeth on the frown are cut out.
  • Tube stripes are medium blue, numbering between 9 and 16 per side with the curve bends extending backwards.
  • Vocoder (vertically ribbed chin detail) is painted black.
  • Aerators/Hovi mix tips (cylinders on either side of the vocoder) are black or painted black.
  • Tears, traps, and tube stripes may be hand painted, decals, or decals that replicate hand painted.
  • Blue stripe detail shall be present on the right side of the helmet, starting from the back of the helmet, and continued on to the bottom of the face (stripe tapers to a point as it goes down the face).
  • Mesh may be used behind the frown to obscure the face of the wearer.
  • Note: The helmet is accurate in detail and proportion to official references.
    • Many commercially available helmets or those considered disproportionate in size or shape are ineligible.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • Ears shall have three screws per side, one above and one below the ear bar and one at the base of the helmet.
  • Ear bars have four bumps only.
    • Not three.
  • Traps/tears and tube stripes shall have the correct ANH TK details
  • Correct 'Hovi mic' aerator tips.
  • Helmet and details/paint is lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • Ear bars shall have only one or two bumps painted in black (rank stripes).
  • Neck trim shall be of an s-type profile rather than a u-type profile.
  • Tears/traps shall be hand painted or use decals that emulate hand painted (with correct ANH TK details).
  • Blue stripe continues over brow trim
  • Ear screws shall be slotted, flat topped, countersunk and painted white.

 

 

Shoulder Straps
  • These shall be securely mounted in front and may free float in back. They may be affixed with rivets, Velcro, or adhesive. REMOVE

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • No visible rivets are allowed.
  • Shoulder straps shall not have a flat end at the ends of them. They shall be ribbed 100%.
  • Shoulder straps are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • These shall be affixed in the front (no snaps, rivets or brads shall be visible).
  • These shall be affixed in the back (no snaps, rivets or brads shall be visible).    REMOVE

 

Upper Arm Armor
  • Biceps are fully closed.
  • Two blue vertical stripes shall be present on both biceps (one to the front and one on the side).

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • No shoulder bell straps across the biceps.
  • Biceps/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).

 

Forearm Armor
  • Forearms are fully closed.
  • Two blue vertical stripes shall be present on both Forearms (one to the front and one on the side).

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • Forearms/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • No return edge on the inside of the front of the forearm is allowed.
  • Forearms use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate.      REMOVE

 

Hand Plates

 

ANH

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  • Hand plates are mounted securely of the back of the glove, As an alternative to plastic, these may be made out of latex or latex-like material.
  •  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • Hand plates are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • Hand guards shall be latex or latex-like, painted white, and permanently affixed to rubber gloves.

 

Back Armor
  • Back plate contains a "O II" design.
  • A blue detail shall be present in the form of a Y-Shape. The blue Y-Shaped detail will have slanted white stripes, one on each side of the flared upper parts of the Y-shape.
  • A white flexible U shaped gasket or molded lip shall be present around all edges.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • The Back plate/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • Back plate shall have no, or minimal overlap of the kidney plate.
  • AM back plate is replaced with a more screen accurate version.

 

Abdomen Armor
  • Ab plate buttons shall be all black.
  • Ab plate button detail shall be inverted compared to ANH/ESB.
  • A blue stripe shall be present on the ab section and stops underneath the belt area. The blue stripe is wide at the bottom and narrows toward the top, to match up to the blue Y-Shaped detail of the chest plate.
  • A white flexible U shaped gasket or molded lip shall be present around all edges.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • Ab plate/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • There shall be no split rivet or brad visible on the crotch tab of the ab plate.
  • Left vertical row of ab plate buttons contain five buttons (fifth button must align one button higher than the top button of the larger button plate)  . All buttons are the same size and color and are visible (not covered by the belt). The fifth button is mounted vertically above the standard four buttons.
  • There are 2 rivets on either side of the ab, approximately 5/16"(8mm) diameter, these are lined up with the ones on the kidney, the top rivet is roughly 25mm from the top edge and the bottom is 25mm above the top of the belt and 20mm from the side seam, painted white.
  •  
  • OR
  •  
  • There shall be no split rivet or brad visible on the crotch tab of the ab plate. REMOVE
  • Left vertical row of ab plate buttons contain five buttons (fifth button must align one button higher than the top button of the larger button plate)  . All buttons are the same size and color and are visible (not covered by the belt). The fifth button is mounted vertically above the standard four buttons.
  • There can be either 2 or 3 rivets on either side of the ab, approximately 5/16"(8mm) diameter, these are lined up with the ones on the kidney, the top rivet is roughly 15-25mm from the top edge and the bottom is 15-25mm above the top of the belt and 10-20mm from the side seam, painted white.
  •  

 

Kidney & Posterior Armor
  • A separate kidney/butt plate is not allowed - the kidney and butt plate shall be combined/fused to a single plate/one piece.
  • A white flexible U shaped gasket or molded lip shall be present around all edges.
  • The crotch tab of the butt plate area may or may not have visible snaps.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • The edges of the hip area are rounded/curved (not like the straight lines found on the ANH/ESB posterior armor).
  • Kidney/Posterior Armor is lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • Two rivets shall be present on each side of the kidney plate, approximately 4mm from the inside edge of the U shaped gasket or molded lip that is adjacent to the ab plate.  REMOVE
  • There are 2 rivets on either side of the kidney, these are lined up with the ones on the ab, the top rivet is roughly 25mmfrom the top edge and the bottom is 25mm above the top of the belt and 20mm from the side seam, painted white.
  • Kidney can be either ANH (straight corners) or ROTJ (rounded corners)
  • Posterior can be either ANH (straight corners) or ROTJ (rounded corners)
  • There shall be no visible snaps, rivets or brads on the crotch tab of the butt plate tab.
  •  
  • OR
  •  
  • Two rivets shall be present on each side of the kidney plate, approximately 4mm from the inside edge of the U shaped gasket or molded lip that is adjacent to the ab plate.  REMOVE
  • There can be either 2 or 3 rivets on either side of the ab, these are lined up with the ones on the kidney, the top rivet is roughly 15-25mm from the top edge and the bottom is 15-25mm above the top of the belt and 10-20mm from the side seam, painted white.
  • Kidney can be either ANH (straight corners) or ROTJ (rounded corners)
  • Posterior can be either ANH (straight corners) or ROTJ (rounded corners)
  • There shall be no visible snaps, rivets or brads on the crotch tab of the butt plate tab.

 

 

 

Belt
  • Belt face is made of plastic (TK ammo belt).
  • The soft belt proper is tightly woven nylon/cordura like/style material or material with a tightly woven nylon/cordura like/style covering. Size is 2.25" (57mm) to 2.5" (64mm) wide. The color is white to off-white.
  • The drop boxes are either grey or white and dangle from the sides of the plastic front belt (ammo belt) via white straps and are aligned with the end of the ammo belt.
  •  
  • OR
  •  
  • Belt face is made of plastic (TK ammo belt).
  • The soft belt proper is tightly woven nylon/cordura like/style material or material with a tightly woven nylon/cordura like/style covering. Size is 2.25" (57mm) to 2.5" (64mm) wide. The color is white to off-white.
  • The drop boxes are either grey or white and dangle from the sides of the plastic front belt (ammo belt) via white straps and are aligned with the end of the ammo belt.
  • Belt can be longer than standard ANH/ROTJ with square buttons positioned close to the end of the belt

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • The belt material is lightly aged (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
    • Leather and vinyl are not accurate.
  • There are two square buttons, one on each end of the plastic ammo belt.
  • The center square button is not accurate.
  • Belt face(TK ammo belt)and drop boxes are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • The corners of the plastic ammo belt shall be trimmed at a 45 degree angle.
  • Drop boxes are closed in the back.
  • The belt proper shall have (eight total) white rivets. Two rivets close to each side of the thermal detonator, and two rivets approximately an inch away from the edge of the ammo belt (The rivets form a rectangular pattern) and are painted white.

 

Thermal Detonator

ROTJ

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Or

 

Game

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  • (A.K.A. O2 canister) attaches to the center back of the belt.
  • Detonator consists of an all grey cylinder, without silver stickers or silver paint.
    • The cylinder is between 2” (50mm) and 2.68"(68mm) in diameter with white end caps on each end.
  • The white control panel pad faces upwards, with the controls/round washer style detail closest to the right end cap.
  • The total length is approximately 7.50" (190.5mm).
  • The thermal detonator is attached via metal or metallic-appearing clips, approximately 1" (25mm) wide.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • The thermal detonator is lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
  • Thermal detonator belt clips are positioned with little to no gap between the clips and the end caps.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • The thermal detonator control panel has correct ROTJ details, or the "game style" version.
    • The ANH/ESB style is not allowed.

 

Thigh Armor
  • Thigh armor shall be closed in the back.
  • The ammo belt shall be installed on the bottom of the right thigh,
  • The outside half of the right thigh shall be blue with two white semi-horizontal stripes near the top.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • Thighs/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • The thigh ammo belt shall be connected by brads/split rivets only - standard rivets are not acceptable.        REMOVE
  • The bottom corners of the thigh ammo belt shall be rounded off.          REMOVE
  • Thighs use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate.         REMOVE
  • The thigh ammo belt shall be positioned on top of the lower ridge as seen in official references.
  • The thigh ammo belt is NOT rounded off like ANH.
  • The thigh ammo is glued and has NO rivets.
  •  
  • OR
  •  
  • The thigh ammo belt shall be connected by brads/split rivets only - standard rivets are not acceptable.        REMOVE
  • The bottom corners of the thigh ammo belt shall be rounded off.          REMOVE
  • Thighs use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate.         REMOVE
  • The thigh ammo belt can be positioned on top of the lower ridge as seen in official references or attached to the thigh with a solid head rivet, painted white, in the upper corner and fastened to the lower thigh ridge..
  • The thigh ammo belt can either be straight or rounded off like ANH.
  •  
  •  
  •  

 

Lower Leg Armor
  • Greaves close in the back. The trapezoid knee plate (sniper knee plate) is affixed to the left greave and may have two visible brads or rivets securing it to the greave.
  • The AM greaves (shins) shall be on the proper legs, with a new cover strip. The cover strip edge shall be facing the inside of the leg. Note: There is a manufacturer defect with the AM greaves (shins) that may cause you to wear the them improperly. Please see the Tutorial titled :"AM armor shins: the proper way to assemble and wear", on the whitearmor.net
  • Only the outside half of the right greave shall be blue.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • Greaves/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • Lower Legs use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate.  REMOVE

 

Boots
  • Boots are above ankle height and made of white leather or leather-like material.
  • Small U-shaped elastic sections on both sides of the ankle.
  • Flat sole with a short heel.
  • No buckles or laces.
  • Jodhpur/ Chelsea-type boots or an equivalent style is acceptable.
    • Elvis or Mariachi boots are not allowed.
  • Both boots shall have two blue stripes painted, curving across the top of the foot.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • There is no seam present on the front of the boot.
  • Boots are lightly scuffed.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • The two stripes curving over the boots are accurate in proportion to official references.

 

Holster

OPTIONAL:

Holster

  • Holster is made of black leather or leather-like material
  • Holster is worn on the left of the belt
  • Holster is affixed via two black loops over the belt (no fasteners).
  •  
  • OR
  •  
  • Holster is made of black leather or leather-like material
  • Holster is worn on the left of the belt
  • Holster can either be affixed by two black loops over the belt or attached via straps behind the belt using fasteners already present

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Does fans' MOD use in the recent EA Battlefront game counts?

 

I believe it is a MOD using an existing TK Shocktrooper in-game model, hence, the ESB/ROTJ style hand plates and so on (point 5-9). 

 

 

(correct me if I am wrong)

Edited by giskard8

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8 minutes ago, giskard8 said:

Does fans' MOD use in the recent EA Battlefront game counts?

 

I believe it is a MOD using an existing TK Shocktrooper in-game model, hence, the ESB/ROTJ style hand plates and so on (point 5-9). 

 

 

(correct me if I am wrong)

I don't play the games I only found the images online so I'm not up with what can and can't be added to a base character, if there was only one image I could understand but there are several different images from different sources with similar variants.

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For history - the original CRL is designed to use screen caps of the actual game to the maximum extant, as they are our best resource.  Action figures much less so as we all know they take liberties on the details.  Also, the skin that was supplied originally by an LFL contact is not necessarily canonical as we can't ascertain to what extent it was a guide/preview, and in the end when it's a choice between a screen cap of the game and the skin, we use the screen caps.    In the original game it was essentially an ROTJ suit (plus ab detail change) and an ANH based helmet (with funky ears).  Later iterations of the games where the skins are different/updated could cause us to refine the CRL, or provide two option paths to L2/L3, e.g. original game vs. newer game, if found necessary.

 

CRL models are always a WIP and are the best we have for date.  For example I was the CRL model for the TKC until Magni showed up with a better suit that mine, and so now he's the CRL model.  At some point in the future there may be a better one than Magni, etc.  IOW, CRL text is favored over the model when there is a conflict, and the model is the guide when there are no details in the text.

 

Hope that makes sense, and thanks to Glen for taking on what is a thorny challenge in getting a solid recommendation out.

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I agree with all of Glens points. Not a fan of #3 just because it looks weird compared to any other TK. Maybe it was meant to make it stand out from other skins in game???. #10. Funny all the shots I found when making mine never showed a holster. But there it is.

 

I thought we ironed out the overlap for level 3 not being required anymore since not all makers can be adapted to overlap. I thought new reading is if your armor supports it( TM, CFO....) then go for it. If not we allow coverstrip. That's reason how I was able to get Centurion. I think your recruit should be ok Glen.

Definitely need to add #4 to CRL. They can be seen in most shots. I added mine after Centurion approval just to not go against requirements. 

 

Thanks for bringing this up again Glen. The more we do things like this the better and more accurate we get. Even with this awesome mixed up FrankenTKstein!:)

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Just a couple of more things I've noticed with some details.

 

11 Smaller ab plate is longer and first button is higher than the larger ab plate

 

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12 The other is the stripe on the helmet, more screen images I see the more the stripe appears to be stepped to the side once it goes over the brow trim, it is also more angled than the straight look you see on most of the figures out there. On most of these screen caps it also appears as if there is blue from the stripe actually on the brow trim. The blue stripe also goes halfway through two of the grey teeth.

 

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A little more digging and the knee ammo strip came up in a thread in 2011 but didn't appear to go any further

 

another thing that stevechewbacca picked up on for his centurion submission that is not included in the crl here

 

  • The thigh ammo belt shall be connected by brads/split rivets only - standard rivets are not acceptable.
  • The bottom corners of the thigh ammo belt shall be rounded off.

 

is that the ammo belt appears to be glued on and no edges are rounded as seen here (hope steve doesn't mind me borrowing his photo)

 

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can also see it here

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Sean "seantrooper" modded his to match.

 

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TKC skin: ab button detail, helmet stripe placement and blue on brow trim

 

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I should really stop looking

 

A few with floating shoulder straps at back

 

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Unlike ROTJ the kidney does not have rounded top corners

 

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15 not all have curved corners on butt plate, some are ANH style

 

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You're finding different images because they're made differently between game systems and PC. And probably from a few different games the character appears in. 

This is kinda starting to follow the HWT deal in where to decide what was the first varient and stick with it or decide to let it evolve and allow options. I prefer the latter as the Commander looks different on PC compared to console.

 

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It is amazing how much info is actually on these forums, the more you search into a particular costume the more you find and I think I've just finished looking through every TKC thread now. Some of those differences, knee ammo strip placement with no rivets, 2 rivets on both sides of ab and kidney plates, angled stepped stripe on helmet, the info was there and has been brought up at least once, but either got lost or changed over time.

 

It's only really when you stop looking at just one set of references and start comparing those with other references that you start seeing some of the differences and remember this is without including any references from figures, promo material or earlier renderings which had been found to be incorrect to screen versions.

 

My take on this is that it's not like taking references from one movie like ANH where there is consistency between most of the costumes seen, with the odd exception of one of the costume helmets not having tube stripes, or one of the costumes with a belt positioned in a different spot and so on, the references are taken from different platforms and versions of the game so my thoughts would be that some of these are added to the CRL as options, after all the references are there. Some things do not change between the references so some adjustments may need to be made, some of those, position of the knee ammo strip with no rivets, the rivets on the sides of the ab and kidney, position and angle of the stripe on helmet and so on.

 

And a few days ago I knew none of this, not until a recruit challenged something in the CRL, now I think I have the bug and I may have to look into building one ;) 

 

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To sum up:

 

1 Either overlap or butt join and cover strip method can be used - References for both methods provided

2 Either overlap or butt join and cover strip method can be used for all levels - References for both methods provided

3 Knee ammo belt should be positioned higher on the knee than OTTK with no rivets in top corners. - References provided

4 There are two rivets on the sides of ab section matching the back plate rivets - References provided

5 Either 4 or 5 buttons on smaller ab plate - References provided

6 Either white or grey belt box fronts - References provided

7 Either rivets or cover squares can be used on ends of belts (depending on whether the belt is straight or corners cut at angle) - References provided

8 Straight or angled cut corners can be used on end of belt (depending on the use of rivets or cover squares). - References provided

9 ANH or ESB/ROTJ hand plates can be used - References provided

10 Holster can be worn, it should be ESB style with loops over the belt and it is placed on the left of the wearer- References provided

11 5 button smaller ab plate is longer and first button is higher than the larger ab plate - References provided

12 Stripe on the helmet is stepped to the side once it goes over the brow trim and is angled. Blue paint on brow trim. The blue stripe also goes halfway through two of the grey teeth. - References provided

13 shoulder straps not fixed on all versions at backplate - References provided

14 unlike ROTJ the kidney does not have rounded top corners - References provided

15 not all have curved corners on butt plate - References provided

 

 

 

Suggested changes are in green so they stand out.

 

Helmet
  • Traps (trapezoids on dome of helmet) and tears (area beneath the corners of eye lenses) are grey.
  • Rear traps and tears have vertical black lines.
  • Lenses are flat material, green in color, sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes.
  • The “ear” bars have three or four bumps and are grey or painted grey, with a black outline. Painting the bumps with rank stripes (highlighted) in black is optional.
  • Ears shall have a black horizontal anchor-like detail on each side of the ear bar.
  • Frown is painted grey and does not leave the teeth area. Eight total teeth on the frown are cut out.
  • Tube stripes are medium blue, numbering between 9 and 16 per side with the curve bends extending backwards.
  • Vocoder (vertically ribbed chin detail) is painted black.
  • Aerators/Hovi mix tips (cylinders on either side of the vocoder) are black or painted black.
  • Tears, traps, and tube stripes may be hand painted, decals, or decals that replicate hand painted.
  • Blue stripe detail shall be present on the right side of the helmet, starting from the back of the helmet, and continued on to the bottom of the face (stripe tapers to a point as it goes down the face).
  • Mesh may be used behind the frown to obscure the face of the wearer.
  • Note: The helmet is accurate in detail and proportion to official references.
    • Many commercially available helmets or those considered disproportionate in size or shape are ineligible.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • Ears shall have three screws per side, one above and one below the ear bar and one at the base of the helmet.
  • Ear bars have four bumps only.
    • Not three.
  • Traps/tears and tube stripes shall have the correct ANH TK details
  • Correct 'Hovi mic' aerator tips.
  • Helmet and details/paint is lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • Ear bars shall have only one or two bumps painted in black (rank stripes).
  • Neck trim shall be of an s-type profile rather than a u-type profile.
  • Tears/traps shall be hand painted or use decals that emulate hand painted (with correct ANH TK details).
  • Blue stripe continues over brow trim

 

 

Shoulder Straps
  • These shall be securely mounted in front and may free float in back. They may be affixed with rivets, Velcro, or adhesive. REMOVE

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • No visible rivets are allowed.
  • Shoulder straps shall not have a flat end at the ends of them. They shall be ribbed 100%.
  • Shoulder straps are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • These shall be affixed in the front (no snaps, rivets or brads shall be visible).
  • These shall be affixed in the back (no snaps, rivets or brads shall be visible).    REMOVE

 

Upper Arm Armor
  • Biceps are fully closed.
  • Two blue vertical stripes shall be present on both biceps (one to the front and one on the side).

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • No shoulder bell straps across the biceps.
  • Biceps/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).

 

Forearm Armor
  • Forearms are fully closed.
  • Two blue vertical stripes shall be present on both Forearms (one to the front and one on the side).

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • Forearms/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • No return edge on the inside of the front of the forearm is allowed.
  • Forearms use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate.      REMOVE

 

Hand Plates

 

ANH

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or

 

ESB/ROTJ

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  • Either ANH or ESB/ROTJ can be used, hand plates are mounted securely of the back of the glove, As an alternative to plastic, these may be made out of latex or latex-like material.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • Hand plates are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • If using ANH-style hand guards, they shall be latex or latex-like, painted white, and affixed to rubber gloves.

 

Back Armor
  • Back plate contains a "O II" design.
  • A blue detail shall be present in the form of a Y-Shape. The blue Y-Shaped detail will have slanted white stripes, one on each side of the flared upper parts of the Y-shape.
  • A white flexible U shaped gasket or molded lip shall be present around all edges.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • The Back plate/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • Back plate shall have no, or minimal overlap of the kidney plate.
  • AM back plate is replaced with a more screen accurate version.

 

Abdomen Armor
  • Ab plate buttons shall be all black.
  • Ab plate button detail shall be inverted compared to ANH/ESB.
  • A blue stripe shall be present on the ab section and stops underneath the belt area. The blue stripe is wide at the bottom and narrows toward the top, to match up to the blue Y-Shaped detail of the chest plate.
  • A white flexible U shaped gasket or molded lip shall be present around all edges.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • Ab plate/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • There shall be no split rivet or brad visible on the crotch tab of the ab plate.
  • Left vertical row of ab plate buttons contain either four or five buttons (fifth button must align one button higher than the top button of the larger button plate)  . All buttons are the same size and color and are visible (not covered by the belt). The fifth button is mounted vertically above the standard four buttons.
  • There are 2 rivets on either side of the ab, these are lined up with the ones on the kidney, the top rivet is roughly 25mm from the top edge and the bottom is 25mm above the top of the belt and 20mm from the side seam, painted white.

 

Kidney & Posterior Armor
  • A separate kidney/butt plate is not allowed - the kidney and butt plate shall be combined/fused to a single plate/one piece.
  • A white flexible U shaped gasket or molded lip shall be present around all edges.
  • The crotch tab of the butt plate area may or may not have visible snaps.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • The edges of the hip area are rounded/curved (not like the straight lines found on the ANH/ESB posterior armor).
  • Kidney/Posterior Armor is lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • Two rivets shall be present on each side of the kidney plate, approximately 4mm from the inside edge of the U shaped gasket or molded lip that is adjacent to the ab plate. There are 2 rivets on either side of the kidney, these are lined up with the ones on the ab, the top rivet is roughly 25mmfrom the top edge and the bottom is 25mm above the top of the belt and 20mm from the side seam, painted white.
  • Kidney can be either ANH (straight corners) or ROTJ (rounded corners)
  • Posterior can be either ANH (straight corners) or ROTJ (rounded corners)
  • There shall be no visible snaps, rivets or brads on the crotch tab of the butt plate tab.

 

Belt
  • Belt face is made of plastic (TK ammo belt).
  • The soft belt proper is tightly woven nylon/cordura like/style material or material with a tightly woven nylon/cordura like/style covering. Size is 2.25" (57mm) to 2.5" (64mm) wide. The color is white to off-white.
  • The drop boxes are either grey or white and dangle from the sides of the plastic front belt (ammo belt) via white straps and are aligned with the end of the ammo belt.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • The belt material is lightly aged (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
    • Leather and vinyl are not accurate.
  • There can be either two square buttons, one on each end of the plastic ammo belt OR a rivet on either end, painted white.
    • The center square button is not accurate.
  • Belt face(TK ammo belt)and drop boxes are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • The belt can either be left straight (if using rivets) or can be trimmed at a 45 degree angle (if using square buttons).
  • Drop boxes are closed in the back.
  • The belt proper shall have (eight total) white rivets. Two rivets close to each side of the thermal detonator, and two rivets approximately an inch away from the edge of the ammo belt (The rivets form a rectangular pattern) and are painted white.

 

Thermal Detonator

ROTJ

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Or

 

Game

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  • (A.K.A. O2 canister) attaches to the center back of the belt.
  • Detonator consists of an all grey cylinder, without silver stickers or silver paint.
    • The cylinder is between 2” (50mm) and 2.68"(68mm) in diameter with white end caps on each end.
  • The white control panel pad faces upwards, with the controls/round washer style detail closest to the right end cap.
  • The total length is approximately 7.50" (190.5mm).
  • The thermal detonator is attached via metal or metallic-appearing clips, approximately 1" (25mm) wide.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • The thermal detonator is lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
  • Thermal detonator belt clips are positioned with little to no gap between the clips and the end caps.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • The thermal detonator control panel has correct ROTJ details, or the "game style" version.
    • The ANH/ESB style is not allowed.

 

Thigh Armor
  • Thigh armor shall be closed in the back.
  • The ammo belt shall be installed on the bottom of the right thigh,
  • The outside half of the right thigh shall be blue with two white semi-horizontal stripes near the top.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • Thighs/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • The thigh ammo belt shall be connected by brads/split rivets only - standard rivets are not acceptable.        REMOVE
  • The bottom corners of the thigh ammo belt shall be rounded off.          REMOVE
  • Thighs use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate.         REMOVE
  • The thigh ammo belt shall be positioned on top of the lower ridge as seen in official references.
  • The thigh ammo belt is NOT rounded off like ANH.
  • The thigh ammo is glued and has NO rivets.

 

Lower Leg Armor
  • Greaves close in the back. The trapezoid knee plate (sniper knee plate) is affixed to the left greave and may have two visible brads or rivets securing it to the greave.
  • The AM greaves (shins) shall be on the proper legs, with a new cover strip. The cover strip edge shall be facing the inside of the leg. Note: There is a manufacturer defect with the AM greaves (shins) that may cause you to wear the them improperly. Please see the Tutorial titled :"AM armor shins: the proper way to assemble and wear", on the whitearmor.net
  • Only the outside half of the right greave shall be blue.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • Greaves/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD).
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
  • Lower Legs use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate.  REMOVE

 

Boots
  • Boots are above ankle height and made of white leather or leather-like material.
  • Small U-shaped elastic sections on both sides of the ankle.
  • Flat sole with a short heel.
  • No buckles or laces.
  • Jodhpur/ Chelsea-type boots or an equivalent style is acceptable.
    • Elvis or Mariachi boots are not allowed.
  • Both boots shall have two blue stripes painted, curving across the top of the foot.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  • There is no seam present on the front of the boot.
  • Boots are lightly scuffed.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • The two stripes curving over the boots are accurate in proportion to official references.

 

Holster

OPTIONAL:

Holster

  • Holster is made of black leather or leather-like material
  • Holster is worn on the left of the belt
  • Holster is affixed via two black loops over the belt (no fasteners).

 

 

Please also note while researching the holster I noticed the ESB Stormtrooper holster shown in the ESB CRL shows an ANH version with natural colour straps not black loops, perhaps best to change to ESB version so there is no confusion.

 

 

 

 

 

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Outstanding work, Glen!  Once we get things "set in stone" the caps that show the acceptable should be posted in the TKC reference area.  https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/gallery/category/15-tk-commander-reference/

I also think a lot of the odd differences have to do with how many people actually work on the designs of these games... (over 1000 for Grand theft auto).

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12 minutes ago, justjoseph63 said:

Outstanding work, Glen!  Once we get things "set in stone" the caps that show the acceptable should be posted in the TKC reference area.  https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/gallery/category/15-tk-commander-reference/

I also think a lot of the odd differences have to do with how many people actually work on the designs of these games... (over 1000 for Grand theft auto).

Roger that, I've kept a copy of everything I've found so it can all go in one place, will makes things a little easier for those starting their researching :duim:

 

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Brilliant work Glen.

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Amazing work Glen.

 

When I did my research doing TKC, I was also puzzled by some of the points you mentioned. I finally chose to use the “official” reference model graphics on FISD forum (from Force Unleashed I believed) and ignore all the MOD in the recent Battlefront games.

 

I think the changes actually make it easier for people to follow and hence, a greater interest in  building / converting an existing set to TKC.

 

one thing that bugged me most is the Thermal Deronator section, the reference picture is clearly an ANH/ESB tube. Maybe we should consider making it clear there is a A (ROTJ) and B (game) style tube. JRS 181st Tie Pilot has two type of chest boxes, and they listed them separately with reference pictures, which is very easy to follow.

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11 hours ago, Sly11 said:

Brilliant work Glen.

Cheers Andrew

 

1 hour ago, giskard8 said:

Amazing work Glen.

 

When I did my research doing TKC, I was also puzzled by some of the points you mentioned. I finally chose to use the “official” reference model graphics on FISD forum (from Force Unleashed I believed) and ignore all the MOD in the recent Battlefront games.

 

I think the changes actually make it easier for people to follow and hence, a greater interest in  building / converting an existing set to TKC.

 

one thing that bugged me most is the Thermal Detonator section, the reference picture is clearly an ANH/ESB tube. Maybe we should consider making it clear there is a A (ROTJ) and B (game) style tube. JRS 181st Tie Pilot has two type of chest boxes, and they listed them separately with reference pictures, which is very easy to follow.

Thank you Arthur, I agree I think there should be photo reference of both the correct TD's, ROTJ and the Game version, I'll have a look through my files and have those images included in the changes. Cheers.

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Adding some photos

 

Hand plate options

 

ANH

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or

 

ESB/ROTJ

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TD's

 

ROTJ

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Or

 

Game

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19 hours ago, gmrhodes13 said:

Hand guards shall be latex or latex-like, painted white, affixed to rubber gloves if using ANH style.

Reading this, I am guessing that latex, painted, and affixed only apply to ANH style and ESB style hand guards would not have these requirements? If this is the case, I would suggest changing the wording to :

If using ANH-style hand guards, they shall be latex or latex-like, painted white, and affixed to rubber gloves.

 

It's a minor placement change but I think it helps to clarify the requirement.

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8 hours ago, lucnak said:

Reading this, I am guessing that latex, painted, and affixed only apply to ANH style and ESB style hand guards would not have these requirements? If this is the case, I would suggest changing the wording to :

If using ANH-style hand guards, they shall be latex or latex-like, painted white, and affixed to rubber gloves.

 

It's a minor placement change but I think it helps to clarify the requirement.

 

Easily fixed, I don't English speak good do I not :laugh1:

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Amazing write-up, especially in such a short amount of time.   At what point do you feel comfortable me publishing these - e.g. do you want some more time to have them reviewed or do you feel they are good enough to bake.  Just wondering if you want to announce in the NL the proposed changes for people to see and do any last comments on.

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29 minutes ago, Daetrin said:

Amazing write-up, especially in such a short amount of time.   At what point do you feel comfortable me publishing these - e.g. do you want some more time to have them reviewed or do you feel they are good enough to bake.  Just wondering if you want to announce in the NL the proposed changes for people to see and do any last comments on.

Thanks Boss.

 

I'm happy to have it published when ever our DO's and you are happy, I have already added some info and link to the thread in the CRL section of the newsletter in case we wanted to leave it longer.

 

Two of our TKC centurions have posted positive feedback and seem happy with the changes ;) 

 

 

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This is excellent work, and very detailed. Maybe this was the reason I delayed my TKC adventure ;)

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11 hours ago, Pretzel said:

This is excellent work, and very detailed. Maybe this was the reason I delayed my TKC adventure ;)

Cheers Preston

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I am so glad that I was pointed to this thread. I had to go back and look over my helmet and make sure is was within the new regs and I’m pretty sure it is.

 

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I’m going to need to print these new crl changes up and include them with my Anovos kit instructions. This was I can refer to them while doing my build.

 

It looked like I will have to know off the piece I added for the 5button strip and add it to the top portion so that my 5 button strip will be at the proper proportion with the middle button plate.

 

 

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