Jump to content
Locitus

What we know about strapping, snaps, rivets etc

Recommended Posts

Here's a summary of what we know of what was used on the original suits, courtesy of the images and information provided by Voice In The Crowd:
 
Snaps
The shoulder strap snap fasteners are Newey size 10. Gallery
The other snaps all over the suit are Newey size 5 tops with size 4 studs. Known as a 5/4 configuration.
The shin hooks are Newey size 4 Gallery
 
Elastics
Thigh elastic is 75mm wide and is 46 cord. Length 230mm total. 200mm long with a 30mm fold over. There is 65mm out of the leg the rest is inside. Of the elastic inside the leg 70mm of it is glued down.
The arm elastic linking the forearm and biceps are 50mm 38 cord - one arm elastic total length was 230mm the other was 240mm. Gallery
The shoulder strap elastics is 45-47 mm white. Has a squared pattern.  Positive match: Ebay Gallery Gallery
Drop box elastic is 25 mm white. Gallery
Canvas belt is roughly 75 mm wide. Gallery
Torso elastics are 25 mm black.

The helmet elastics are 25mm black 14 cord elastic with one side having a size 5 nickel cap and size 4 nickel socket. The other strap has two size 4 stud / eyelet.
The elastic on the shins with sewn hooks white 25mm wide it is 14 cord elastic, The elastic length is 75mm and has a 25mm fold over where it is sewn.
The elastic that goes across the shoulder bells bottom is 25mm 14 cord black and it is 270mm long. 40mm of the 210mm is glued one side and 20mm glued on the other.

The strap that goes from the top of the shoulder bell to the big Newey snap that is on the main shoulder elastic has a 3 folds in the 25mm black 14 cord elastic. The way it works is - if you look at the elastic side on like the photo going from right to left - make the first fold 80mm back to the right - then fold at 10mm back to the left - then after 40mm back to the right - leaving 20mm pointing to the right (the part the snap is sewn to. This makes total length of the elastic the 150mm. (see attached picture)

snapfolds.png

Hardware
The bracket screws are 5 mm flat head machine screws Gallery
The split/bifurcated rivets have a head diameter of 8 mm, a shank diameter of 3.9 mm and a length of 9.2 mm - Positive match: Ebay - Gallery
The cap rivet heads are 7.36 mm in diameter and 8.36 mm in the back Gallery Gallery
Pop rivet washers are 12.61 mm in diameter Gallery
Bracket wire gauge is 1.25mm
The bolts that hold the brackets have 5mm wide heads - they are 7mm long and the nut on the other side measures 5.13mm across the flats.
The spacing between the holes where the metal brackets are placed was 38mm for the centres of each hole.

Thermal detonator
Thermal detonator end caps are 20 mm deep Gallery
Thermal detonator belt clips are 28.7 mm wide Gallery
Thermal detonator belt clips are 68.89 mm tall from bend to tip Gallery
Thermal detonator belt clip tip outward bend is 5.79 mm wide Gallery
 
Misc
Boots are black chelsea boots, produced by Stuarts Gallery
Most likely glue used is Stelmax 1985 (information provided by TrooperMaster)

 

Newey.jpg

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is awesome!

When my new TM arrives this will help me tons :duim:  no need to scavenge old and countless threads.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's indeed very nice! I hope you will keep updating this thread 'till everything is known Mathias :)

 

Maybe you could add the type of glue originally used? I read from TM they used Stelmax 1985 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The thigh elastic is 3 inches wide so for those Europeans out there that will be 75mm not 50mm that's only 2 inches....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The thigh elastic is 3 inches wide so for those Europeans out there that will be 75mm not 50mm that's only 2 inches....

Gotcha. I'm still waiting on more exact measurements from voice in the crowd so I was winging it while putting the post together.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is beautiful!  I'm printing it out and adding to my build binder.  Thanks for sharing this Mathias!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is beautiful!  I'm printing it out and adding to my build binder.  Thanks for sharing this Mathias!

I can't take credit though, I'm just compiling other peoples knowledge. At the moment it's mostly Chris's.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Should the ANH canvas belt be about 76mm about 3 inches, the ROTJ belt was thinner.

Yeah, it was me reading the tape measure wrong.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah, it was me reading the tape measure wrong.

I thought so, this  thread will be  invaluable to TK builders.  All the info in one place.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Great work assembling this in one spot.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I thought the belt measurement from the CRL for Centurion was 2.75". Does that mean the CRL is incorrect?

 

 

"Size must be 2.75†(70 mm) to 3.25â€(83 mm) wide and not wider than the plastic portion of the belt."

Edited by pandatrooper

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I thought the belt measurement from the CRL for Centurion was 2.75". Does that mean the CRL is incorrect?

 

 

"Size must be 2.75” (70 mm) to 3.25”(83 mm) wide and not wider than the plastic portion of the belt."

I guess we should fix that then. But the point of any information in this thread is that is is unrelated to 501st needs.

 

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Great info! Definitely saving this as reference to share with others!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ah right. Gotcha.

I've created this special section to put this thread to only discuss original suits and how they were. Completely unrelated to what the 501st does or needs. We have so many other sections for 501st stuff, but until now nothing for replicas. :)

 

A  got a whole bunch of more info on the elastics from Voice in the crowd that I will try to add tomorrow, as well as tidy up the post a little.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Understood. When viewing on the mobile version of the site, I don't really pay attention to the forum name. You can't see it very well as the letters get cut off where it says "The Repli..." :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Understood. When viewing on the mobile version of the site, I don't really pay attention to the forum name. You can't see it very well as the letters get cut off where it says "The Repli..." :)

No worries. Its very new to all of us :)

 

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Updated first post. Still got some more to add, but it will come.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Does somone know what was used as a inner belt? What held the thighs in place?

Was it just a normal leather belt, was it nylon or elastic?

What kind of closing mechanism did it have?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They had a thin leather belt holding the thighs up. You can see it here on screen and it was also with the original ANH armour supplied to EFX recently.

swnh_3629_zpseeed6435.jpg

original_trooper.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×