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The CRL is currently under re-write by our XO, Tim (Dark CMF). Ideally we'd get all the updates done at once, and I'll let Tim comment if this needs a faster fix.

Thanks - first posted updated.

FWIW, the Shocktrooper already has its own CRL so I'm not including it here.

I'm starting this thread to get *the* definitive FISD judgment on what is a valid HWT costume. I suspect the current HWT CRL which was designed around the 2009 Battlefront game will need to be broken out in to several new CRLs when all is said and done, but to get there we need to decide - for this year at least - what exactly is an HWT.] The 501st Heavy Weapons Trooper CRL is based upon the Star Wars: Battlefront (2004) Heavy and Star Wars: Battlefront II (2005) Heavy Weapons Class unit, in both games cosmetically identical and called Shock Trooper. NOT to be confused with the red-and-white Imperial Shock Trooper, for which a CRL exists here. EA Star Wars Battlefront (2015) did not have classes, but rather cosmetic skins that could be unlocked with points earned in-game. There is a red-and-white Imperial Shocktrooper skin, but there is not a Heavy Weapons Trooper skin with signature orange pauldron and MP40 hip pouches. The closest thing to, is a skin called Stormtrooper (Orange) which is a sandtrooper with the characteristic high brow, unpainted ab buttons, and ANH:SE sandtrooper backpack (which is also used by the red-and-white Shocktrooper). It has been confirmed that the Heavy unit is returning in EA Star Wars Battlefront II (Nov. 2017), however images have not been released, yet. I will keep this first posted updated as people post better information and better screen shots. First screen shots posted to FISD in 2009 2011 The original CRL called for basically an ANH TK with accessories, even though in the game the ab detail is different. More shots are here: http://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/15272-high-detail-hwt-screens/ Fast forward to 2016 and we have a few new variations from Battlefront. Mr. Jump Pack Stormtrooper Red Battlefront MagmaTrooper

The first sentence is I believe a true statement. In fact that is why Mike Harrison booted it out - he wanted MEPD to be only ANH OT TKs. I think Dutchy can respond for the wants of the larger detachment. As for #2, I can't comment as I think it best MEPD speak for itself. I think the people who's opinion will matter most is the HWT costume holders themselves, as it is they who are most affected.

Hey guys - just a history lesson for those newer folk in the Legion. In the beginning 20 years go the Legion started with TK's, and then added Vaders. MEPD was actually the first detachment that was stood up in the Legion, back when the Legion was still on Yahoo. Yeah, can you believe the Legion didn't have a forum back then? When I started in 2005 - 12 years ago, MEPD was one of the few detachments in the Legion. There was no FISD. MEPD had one costume, but then so did Pathfiders and Jolly Rogers (before it was an official det no less). I created FISD in 2006 with the goal of making it the "MEPD for TK's", and originally there was only 1 TK approvable costume. Yup, it's true. Legion costumeID of 1 was the TK. There were no CRLs and no seperate breakdowns for anything else. All TK's got lumped together and you could have an ROTJ helmet on an ANH body. Truth. MEPD was orignally going to have the HWT when it came out in 2009, but the DL at the time for MEPD was (IIRC) Mike Harrison, and he wanted MEPD to be only ANH sandtroopers, so we got it as it had no where else to go. I wanted to give everyone this background as some of statements and assumptions are not correct. In fact, getting dirty TK's with accessories - whether they be R1 or HWT - is basically getting things back to the beginning. Also, the fact that Legion sandtroopers not needing packs is a recent change. They originally did, and personally I think it shoudl be an L1 requirement for all Legion TD's again.

Hey Dutchy - can you please relate which one you call the Jeddha sandtrooper and which the Kyber? I think not everyone is clear on which is which

OK, so that makes on Jeddha: Basic TK's with dirt and a pauldron TK with pauldron + fabric pack TK with pauldron and plastic pack Where the plastic packs ever in the film? I couldn't find a screen cap, but am *very* open that I missed one. I know they are on the toys...

I'm guessing we'll keep the standard TK + dirt I'd agree that these guys stay on FISD. They are just regular TK's with some dirt and a neat accessory.

Please upload or reference photos for the packs seen, so it's Kyber clear on which pack you mean for which person.

Hey guys - I've been in discussions with the MEPD detachment leader about the various types of R1 stormtrooper costumes and where they should go. Right now, as best I have it, there are 2 types of R1 stormtroopers that we could cover. Rogue One Stormtrooper This is the clean stormtrooper we see in the movie. We can see them walking through the Scarab compound. You can also see them walking around on Jeddha with BFG's, but still pretty much in a clean configuration. These two configurations are clearly part of FISD and we are working to finalize the CRLs. The next one has been called the Jeddha Trooper, R1 Sandtrooper, and also the Kyber Trooper. Essentially it is a dirty R1TK with accessories. While technically a clean R1TK + dirt + accessories, in theory it would be on FISD. That said, MEPD is asking to take this one on, as they currently have the sandtrooper with is essentially a dirty ANH TK + accessories. Yes, there are 4 non-clean TK differences (sniper plate, ab plate, drop boxes, and TD), however I can see the point that this costume may have a better home on MEPD. So, here are the points for discussion: 1. Are there any R1TK configurations that are *not* captured above that I need to take in to account. 2. Are there any strong, valid reasons that the R1 Sandtrooper/Jeddha Trooper not be in MEPD? Thanks all!

RWA added...

Yup.

Great to see another build like this. What a great start!

That's a pretty detailed helmet for a Lego.

Fantastic! I just saw R1 again and can't wait to see people troop with this.

The situation is this: I've dropped the ball on these guys. There is the original HWT from the old game, a new HWT type character as you see above, plus you have the Kyber and Jedha troopers from R1. All have to be dealt with. I'm at my kids lacrosse games all day today, a meet & greet tonight, more lax (lacrosse) tomorrow morning, then Cub Scouts tomorrow afternoon. So...a bit out of pocket to collate all the information and get something more comprehensive typed up this weekend. That said, it is my goal to do a comprehensive review of this costume and get everything sorted in the next few weeks. If someone wants to do all the research between now and then, I'd be grateful. What I want to get is a proposal to address all 5 costume variations, at the least the 3 that are OT based.

It is up to the maker to define what contact info we put there. So far he has not wanted it added IIRC.

Are there any screen caps from the game? That would be the deciding point on if they are official. So far I've not seen any, methinks.

I too put them on in order: thighs, sit, shins, boots, stand and snap thighs to garter. It really should only take a minute. Yes, I know the bra hooks are screen accurate, but Velcro looks fine and works just as well. Ideally you should be able to fully suit up in a few minutes with zero help from a handler.

Now we need our first customer

Bradley, can you resize these so they are 114px wide?

Wow, taking on a TFA for your first kit is ambitious, but can and has been done. Can't wait to see your progress

Ross, just a quick word if I may to say that I truly appreciate the transparency and openness of your work to this community. I understand that you have a strong following in the UK, and I believe it's beneficial for the rest of the membership on FISD to have first-hand information about who you are, what you do, and how your armor came to be.

Well, you can buy bad recast FX armor on ebay, but caveat emptor...