Welcome to the Night trooper resource thread for CRL creation

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

On 4/6/2025 at 1:20 AM, revlimiter said:

 

Here's one I missed before - screen references for the Night Troopers show both grey and white end caps as an option. It's not just CG troopers with white ones either. Some stunt actors have white end caps. Could this be an option? 

 

That's all I see. And as far as I see, everything is spelled correctly.

Sounds like we just drop that requirement, and member can replicate as they choose.

 

On 4/6/2025 at 4:00 AM, Sly11 said:

I think the wording must be based on Non saga can't, be used in general on say one of the weathered R1 TK's because 501st members were in scenes with OT armour Non saga episodes of other series. I think you still need to add the words In "Rouge 1" Non saga for total clarity.

Non-Saga is the terminology LMO will want us to use, I guess adding (Rogue One) can happen though. As far as I am aware all of the night troopers are R1 armour, and certainly all of the primary reference is so I feel mandating it is correct.

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

On 4/8/2025 at 1:27 PM, themaninthesuitcase said:

On 4/6/2025 at 1:20 AM, revlimiter said:

 

Here's one I missed before - screen references for the Night Troopers show both grey and white end caps as an option. It's not just CG troopers with white ones either. Some stunt actors have white end caps. Could this be an option? 

 

That's all I see. And as far as I see, everything is spelled correctly.

Sounds like we just drop that requirement, and member can replicate as they choose.

 

Just had a look at this is from the R1 CRL based on :

So it more if you have a white end you need a grey insert, but if it's all grey it's all grey and so would be fine. 

[TK10345]

 

Individual pieces Round 2. Let me know what I need to do!

[TheSwede[TK]]

Just checking to see what the current status is on this?  

[Sly11[Admin]]

Due to the new CRL structure under way, there are delays on all new additions.

I think Chris has almost completed our end of the work, the rest is on the LMO team to complete.

We are in a cue for Enoch already, so it may be a little while yet.

[TheSwede[TK]]

On 3/30/2025 at 9:56 PM, themaninthesuitcase said:

Frown is painted gray and does not leave the teeth area. The space between the 8 teeth is hollow and

There are 9 teeth and a bit hard to see but 10 hollow spaces. 

Edited May 23, 2025 by TheSwede

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

ROTK CRL would need updating too

• Frown is painted gray and does not leave the teeth area. The space between the 8 teeth is hollow and backed with Black or Dark grey wire screen mesh.

 

And Artillery Trooper CRL

• Frown is painted gray and does not leave the teeth area. The space between the 8 teeth is hollow and backed with Black or Dark grey wire screen mesh.

[TheSwede[TK]]

9 minutes ago, gmrhodes13 said:

ROTK CRL would need updating too

• Frown is painted gray and does not leave the teeth area. The space between the 8 teeth is hollow and backed with Black or Dark grey wire screen mesh.

 

And Artillery Trooper CRL

• Frown is painted gray and does not leave the teeth area. The space between the 8 teeth is hollow and backed with Black or Dark grey wire screen mesh.

They are the same helmets so yes.

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

On 5/23/2025 at 3:45 PM, TheSwede said:

Just checking to see what the current status is on this?  

In short, completely missed there had been an update as it fell into a busy period for me! I will add this to the list to do "soon". As @Sly11 said there's platform issues, and Enoch is already ahead of this as well, along with other CRLs from other dets.

 

On 5/23/2025 at 11:39 PM, TheSwede said:

On 3/30/2025 at 8:56 PM, themaninthesuitcase said:

Frown is painted gray and does not leave the teeth area. The space between the 8 teeth is hollow and

There are 9 teeth and a bit hard to see but 10 hollow spaces. 

The text was copied from the Rogue One CRL. If we want to change it, we could, but we would probably want to update all CRLs and also make sure that we're not about to cause a lot of headaches if the available helmets don't meet this.

[TK10345]

2 hours ago, themaninthesuitcase said:

In short, completely missed there had been an update as it fell into a busy period for me! I will add this to the list to do "soon". As @Sly11 said there's platform issues, and Enoch is already ahead of this as well, along with other CRLs from other dets.

 

The text was copied from the Rogue One CRL. If we want to change it, we could, but we would probably want to update all CRLs and also make sure that we're not about to cause a lot of headaches if the available helmets don't meet this.

I have Jim Tripon's helmet, so I'm just speaking for that, but I'll just have to cut out the areas at each end of the frown to create the 9th and 10th space outside the teeth. Good catch on TheSwede's part and a quick mod to bring my helmet into compliance. 

[TheSwede[TK]]

3 hours ago, themaninthesuitcase said:

The text was copied from the Rogue One CRL. If we want to change it, we could, but we would probably want to update all CRLs and also make sure that we're not about to cause a lot of headaches if the available helmets don't meet this.

I think the wording with 8 teeth was ”wrong” from the get go and just a crossover från OT helmets with the 8 cut outs, somehow it transfered into teeth .  If the CRLs isn’t updated then a  helmet with the (correct) 9 teeth might not be approved by a GML.
If available helmets are a concern then have the text say 8 or 9 teeth for basic and for higher levels the correct 9 teeth with 10 cut outs are present. Just an idea. 
 

Looking at the ROTK CRL helmet there are 9 teeth, missing the spaces on the ends though. And..come to to think of it, as there is a ”center tooth” there can’t be an even number of teeth meaning all helmets out there ”should” be fine. 

Edited May 25, 2025 by TheSwede

[revlimiter[Staff]]

 

I don't quite have things lined up perfectly, but it's good enough to post - this is @TKModder421's helmet, which is obsessively modified from Nico's already-gold-standard helmet. Please note the teeth.

 

Nine teeth. Eight openings. There COULD be ten openings with some hand modification to the printed parts, but it would be difficult. The outer teeth go pretty far to the edge. My printed Nico bucket is the same.

 

I think every kit would require very careful modification to achieve ten openings. However, NINE teeth is the correct number that should be in every R1 based CRL.

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

3 hours ago, themaninthesuitcase said:

The text was copied from the Rogue One CRL. If we want to change it, we could, but we would probably want to update all CRLs and also make sure that we're not about to cause a lot of headaches if the available helmets don't meet this.

I posted in staff area about updates for the ROTK and Artillery CRL's yesterday and checked against other helmets

[TheSwede[TK]]

10 minutes ago, revlimiter said:

Nico's already-gold-standard helmet.

It’s good but as we can see in my post above, it’s not correct if you compare to the screen used helmets. They have 9 teeth with 10 cut outs. An update on the files should be in order, if the ”gold-standard” label are to be intact 

 

The helmet I’m using have 9 teeth and 10 cut outs (PewPewCraft file) Still, those files aren’t exactly like the screen used either, so no gold-standard for PPC 

 

And just want to say, I could never ever create anything to be printed or vaccuformed so not dizzing anyones skill. Just comparing to screen used helmets. 

Edited May 25, 2025 by TheSwede

[revlimiter[Staff]]

38 minutes ago, TheSwede said:

It’s good but as we can see in my post above, it’s not correct if you compare to the screen used helmets

 

I totally agree. 10 spaces is right. I'm just trying to point out that - very likely - no current helmet print file or prop producer has 10 spaces.

[TheSwede[TK]]

8 minutes ago, revlimiter said:

 

I totally agree. 10 spaces is right. I'm just trying to point out that - very likely - no current helmet print file or prop producer has 10 spaces.

PewPewCraft has  That’s the file I’m using.

 

 

[revlimiter[Staff]]

I modified my Jimmi and Nico buckets in about 20 minutes total. Not too bad. 

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

I've had some time to go back and consult references. 9 is indeed correct, and I am not exactly sure how we got 8 as you need an odd number, 7 would have been more understandable!

 

So for this CRL, I have updated the text to 9. For the other R1 based CRLs I will need to make a request to the LMO so will probably only go live as part of the new CRL system.

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

On 4/22/2025 at 12:34 AM, TK10345 said:

Individual pieces Round 2. Let me know what I need to do!

 

Thanks for updating that issue on the back plate, I only can see it as I know it's there.

 

@Deployment Officer Team can you have a look at these for compliance with the current CRL text please.

 

The photos might need to be re done though, especially on the helmet and some lager parts like the chest. The issue is the perspective. I am going to guess you've used a phone camera and got in really close. This distorts how things look and is most visible on the helmet, where the front of the helmet dominates the image. If you are able to using a longer lens (2x, 3x or 5x if you have it) and standing further away for the same framing will fix most of this. It will need to be "real" zoom though not just cropping in as this is caused by the optics.

 

This image shows what I mean a bit more clearly. Same person, same framing but longer focal length (more zoom) looks more like what you want. This is using 2 extremes but demonstrates it well.

 

 

On some parts this doesn't really matter and what you have will be fine. Just try and keep the camera level with the part and not to look down on them as you have here.

[TK10345]

47 minutes ago, themaninthesuitcase said:

 

Thanks for updating that issue on the back plate, I only can see it as I know it's there.

 

@Deployment Officer Team can you have a look at these for compliance with the current CRL text please.

 

The photos might need to be re done though, especially on the helmet and some lager parts like the chest. The issue is the perspective. I am going to guess you've used a phone camera and got in really close. This distorts how things look and is most visible on the helmet, where the front of the helmet dominates the image. If you are able to using a longer lens (2x, 3x or 5x if you have it) and standing further away for the same framing will fix most of this. It will need to be "real" zoom though not just cropping in as this is caused by the optics.

 

This image shows what I mean a bit more clearly. Same person, same framing but longer focal length (more zoom) looks more like what you want. This is using 2 extremes but demonstrates it well.

 

 

On some parts this doesn't really matter and what you have will be fine. Just try and keep the camera level with the part and not to look down on them as you have here.

You have guessed correctly that I used my phone. I had no idea a phone did that. I have a Canon rebel that I'll use to take photos again. Thanks for the input!

Edited May 26, 2025 by TK10345

[Sly11[Admin]]

3 hours ago, TK10345 said:

You have guessed correctly that I used my phone. I had no idea a phone did that. I have a Canon rebel that I'll use to take photos again. Thanks for the input!

Moving back from the subject and using the zoom function to between 1.5 and 2.5 will stop the fish eye effect, phone camera lenses have built in.

Try it and do a side by side, and you will see the difference too.

[TKModder421[TK]]

On 5/25/2025 at 3:03 PM, revlimiter said:

 

I don't quite have things lined up perfectly, but it's good enough to post - this is @TKModder421's helmet, which is obsessively modified from Nico's already-gold-standard helmet. Please note the teeth.

 

Nine teeth. Eight openings. There COULD be ten openings with some hand modification to the printed parts, but it would be difficult. The outer teeth go pretty far to the edge. My printed Nico bucket is the same.

 

I think every kit would require very careful modification to achieve ten openings. However, NINE teeth is the correct number that should be in every R1 based CRL.

 

lots of great research and work going into this build. Really really awesome!!
 

I just wanted to quickly show you that my modified files do actually have the 10 openings. Here is an angle that you can see that little gap after the last tooth.

 

 

Here's an orthographic side-by-side of Nico's original and the modded file.

 

You can see that the ends are shorter and don't extend all the way to the edge of the frown. each individual tooth also has an ever so slight outward angle away from the top center and angled slightly back, creating the slight distance between the top of the tooth and the top of the frown that you see in reference.

 

Let me know if for some reason your file set is different, and I'll get you the right file!

Edited May 27, 2025 by TKModder421

[TheSwede[TK]]

8 hours ago, TKModder421 said:

Let me know if for some reason your file set is different, and I'll get you the right file!

I’ve been looking at your excellent modifications and just bought the Nico files and would very much appreciate a copy of said files Sending proof of purchase in pm. 

[revlimiter[Staff]]

21 hours ago, TK10345 said:

You have guessed correctly that I used my phone. I had no idea a phone did that. I have a Canon rebel that I'll use to take photos again. Thanks for the input!

 

If you have a phone with multiple lenses, try the 3x lens.  I'm on a Samsung (S24ultra I think) which has 2 wide lenses (.6 and 1.0), a normal lens (3.0x) and a zoom lens (10x). There's also some software zoom settings that don't actually change the lenses (2x, 5x, 30x, and 100x) which can and should be ignored.  On an iphone, I think the 5x lens is the right one to use.

 

A Canon Rebel would be fine as long as you're not using a wide angle lens. The focal length is the issue, not the camera. If you put a kit lens at the 18mm setting on your Rebel, you'd have the same issue as your phone. You wanna use something like a 50mm to 85mm fixed lens. On an 18-55 kit lens (common with many cameras), somewhere around 35mm would be a great focal length.

[revlimiter[Staff]]

16 hours ago, TKModder421 said:

I just wanted to quickly show you that my modified files do actually have the 10 openings. Here is an angle that you can see that little gap after the last tooth.

 

 

BEAUTIFUL work sir. I didn't quite have things lined up with my image above. Very happy to see you have the 10 openings. I need to print your bucket.

 

I sliced my Nico helmet teeth on the inside of the bucket to have about that same edge that you designed yours to use.