TKDUEUNO Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 The bitter reality is that the big oil families want to keep us slaves to the oil. We DO have alternate and clean technology to move our cars, but it's kept hidden by the same people, with the consent of the media. If only Morgan didn't stop Tesla we would live in a very different present... Nash equilibrium: you achieve the best results if you do what's best for yourself and for the group, not only for yourself. It sucks to see that for "group" the visible and invisible men that run the show mean the elite, not the people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrinus Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 It's simple economics. Supply and demand. The oil is worth what the market is willing to pay. Many would say $800 for white plastic is crazy but all of us here pay it. There is just so much more demand today. The only thing they can do is increase the supply. You believe that? If scarcity is why fuel prices in the U.S. are as high as they are and climbing as fast as they are... then why has Exxon-Mobile -- the most profitable corporation in the history of corporations -- been turning record-busting profits of over $40 billion (that's billion with a "B") a year (that's profit after operating costs, just to be prefectly clear)? Why are we putting 75,000 barrels of oil a day into a National Strategic Oil Reserve that's ~97% full? You're right that they'll charge what the market will bear. And they get away with it because we have to get from Point A to Point B, so we just resignedly shrug and say "oh well, guess I'll just have to pay it". And while we're at it, I just filled my 13-gallon tank today for $55.50 ($4.48/gal.). My '89 Honda Accord LX-i gets between 30 and 34 MPG. When this engine starts to go, I'm planning on replacing it with that of a new Civic Hybrid (same displacement and number of cylinders). Most of my driving is in to the grocery store or ferry terminal four miles away. I take the ferry over to Seattle, and the busses when over there. --Jonah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drosch Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 You believe that? If scarcity is why fuel prices in the U.S. are as high as they are and climbing as fast as they are... then why has Exxon-Mobile -- the most profitable corporation in the history of corporations -- been turning record-busting profits of over $40 billion (that's billion with a "B") a year (that's profit after operating costs, just to be prefectly clear)? Why are we putting 75,000 barrels of oil a day into a National Strategic Oil Reserve that's ~97% full? Again the prices in the U.S. are where they are because we are not producing enough. Demand globally is increasing and the supply is not. Would you buy less fuel if it was still 75 cents a gallon? You would still be running your boat, ATV, hot rod, or whatever recreation vehicle just as much as you used to where now you see alot of boats and RVs and everything else sitting in garages and driveways. Yes they are making record profits but it is impacting usage. My local dealer has not sold a truck in months. If you increase supply the oil companies will not have to limit usage by price. Ethanol has alot less oil content. You would think that ethanol would cost alot less. But again production is low and if it were alot cheaper, everyone would be buying it and there would be a shortage. There is enough oil out there for the immediate future. The next 50 to 100 years. That gives us plenty of time to find an alternative. An alternative is out there. Basically I'm saying lets stop hugging trees and drill for some oil. There I said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobesMahone Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 I gave blood the other day... that was less painful than filling up for gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Not cheap on the Isle of Man either... Litre: Petrol £1.19.9 Diesel £1.32.9 UK Gallon: Petrol £5.45($10.70) Diesel £6.05($11.88) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus[TK] Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Paid $75 to fill my car today - and that didn't even fill the tank. Credit card machine cut me off at $75. First time this has ever happened to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThayNerd[TK] Posted June 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 I have been taking public transportation a lot more lately to save my gas for things that actually count, this does not include work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The other Jay Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Paid $75 to fill my car today - and that didn't even fill the tank. Credit card machine cut me off at $75. First time this has ever happened to me. I'm starting a sweet high-paying contract this week to install a thousand fire alarms in some schools around here, and I had to get my sister to spot me the $90 it took to fill my tank so I could get to work for a week! It's ree-dickaless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK1491 Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 yep the CC machine cut me off at $50 at a gas station a few wks ago. Now it's about $70 to fillerup. sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironclaw Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 The evolution of robbery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThayNerd[TK] Posted July 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I am going to have to fill up again today. Not looking forward to it. :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I recently sold my 25th Anniversary Mustang Over 300 rear wheel horsepower. It only got 15 miles per gallon. Now I drive an S-10 pickup with a 4 cylinder, mucho improvement on the wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThayNerd[TK] Posted July 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I'm thinking about picking up something with a 4 cylinder in it, just haven't figured out what its going to be yet. My girlfriend drives a Zion XA and it gets really good gas mileage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vrblasasn Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 i had a 06 GTO with a 6.0 LS2 motor that took only premium which got 18 24. needless to say i got rid of it and my ninja is my only mode of transportation. i have a 4 gallon tank @ $3.96 it cost me around $16 to fill up depending on how empty i get. but you can't beat 110 horse to the rear wheel, and 44 miles a gallon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drosch Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I am keeping the 2000 Silverado because I flip houses and need the truck but I'm looking into something small for the 80 mile commute to the real job everyday. I have looked at the Nissan Versa, Suzuki SX4, and Mazda 3. I love the Mazda but its more money with some more creature comforts. Not sure about the Suzuki. The Nissan is a great car (I've owned 2 already) but its stripped. Can you say crank windows? Any advice would be welcomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foggy[TK] Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I have a V8 SUV, use it for work. It is comfortable for my trips and I can pile in large briefcases and boxes. I am averaging $600 per month in fuel costs. I have thought about trading it for something else, but it is the first vehicle I have had in a long time which does not have any engine or electrical problems. It is five years old. I do baby it with regular oil changes, tire rotations and fuel injector cleanings. Right now, it's a keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk0000[501st] Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I rented a ford focus this week and was getting 41 MPG driving through the mountains from Los Vegas, Nevada to Kanab, Utah. Gas was 4.24/gallon. Here in Indiana it is 3.94 in Indianapolis .....to 4.09 in Terre Haute today. I get about 25/MPG in my Mazda 929, 22/MPG in my Jeep Wrangler and 50+MPG on my Handa CBR600 (motorcycle). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr4nky Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Over here we´re at around $13.50 a gallon..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattastic13 Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Woo Hoo! Went under $2 here....it is $1.89! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrooperKerry Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Wichita is right there with you Matt! It's been a long time since I have filled the truck (Triton V8) and left the gas station with a smile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattastic13 Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Too true....I am looking forward to filling my truck up (5.9L) today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThayNerd[TK] Posted October 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 It $2.69 for premium, which is not to bad. I have to fill up later today. Its nice that it has gone down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray1134[501st] Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 We are below $2.50, inching towards $2.30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfZoom Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Woo Hoo! Went under $2 here....it is $1.89! Yep, Tomball (NW of Houston) went below $2 early last week. At Wally World, but it still counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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