Thanks Serge, think I'm just at the tweaking stage, trying to get everything to sit right, just need a little heat on my butt sides as they seem a little wide on the corners. Found a few ouchie bits so a bit more trimming to be done. Also ATA armor chest plates seem a bit different than other makers, the shoulder straps want to sit as 1 large ridge and 3 small ridges, to fit on the 5 small ridges I would have to heat and form so I will think about that today