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I should really stop looking A few with floating shoulder straps at back Unlike ROTJ the kidney does not have rounded top corners 15 not all have curved corners on butt plate, some are ANH style

Nice work, if it was me I'd go a little bigger on your smaller plate. Every little bit adds up in the end, it is not a race so take your time

TKC skin: ab button detail, helmet stripe placement and blue on brow trim

Nothing better that a BBB full of crispy white plastic, good luck with the build

A little more digging and the knee ammo strip came up in a thread in 2011 but didn't appear to go any further another thing that stevechewbacca picked up on for his centurion submission that is not included in the crl here The thigh ammo belt shall be connected by brads/split rivets only - standard rivets are not acceptable. The bottom corners of the thigh ammo belt shall be rounded off. is that the ammo belt appears to be glued on and no edges are rounded as seen here (hope steve doesn't mind me borrowing his photo) can also see it here   Sean "seantrooper" modded his to match.

Just a couple of more things I've noticed with some details. 11 Smaller ab plate is longer and first button is higher than the larger ab plate 12 The other is the stripe on the helmet, more screen images I see the more the stripe appears to be stepped to the side once it goes over the brow trim, it is also more angled than the straight look you see on most of the figures out there. On most of these screen caps it also appears as if there is blue from the stripe actually on the brow trim. The blue stripe also goes halfway through two of the grey teeth.

Nice work, I’m sure you won’t have any issues for basic approval

They are a great boot, been trooping in mine for 6 years and they barely look worn

Congratulations trooper

Congratulations trooper

Figment is always a bit of a juggling act depending on what sits right and what doesn’t. Looking forward to the progress.

Looking forward to the progress, good luck

Yes but it will all be worthwhile for that certificate and banner on your forum profile Good luck

Congratulations trooper and welcome to the rank

I don't play the games I only found the images online so I'm not up with what can and can't be added to a base character, if there was only one image I could understand but there are several different images from different sources with similar variants.

Note some of the details are not correct in the Sideshow Figure but others are a good reference

TKC Request for CRL Updates Thread crl here I have recently been contacted by a recruit who has supplied some images which differ with some in the CRL. With my OCD I decided to do some of my own research into the costume and I too have picked up a few oddities, some of these may want to be added as options. The recruit is disputing the cover strip method and has supplied one of the reference images of the arm, in it you can see the bicep which appears to be butt joined with a cover strip and there is also a gap underneath. Overlap is required for L3 which is what he is disputing and asks the CRL be changed to allow either as there isn't enough proof. Also in this image it looks as if it has cover strips stops above the bottom ridge with no line going through the ridge like a overlap would. Very few images can be seen of the overlap method, one was posted in an earlier CRL thread by Mike "SolidsSkrafty" but in that photo the overlap goes outwards on the thighs and inwards on the calves, which is a little odd. I did find the following image and after Tony "ukswrath" had enlarged it you can see there is an overlap So due to proof of both styles (overlay or cover strip) should they both be allowable and if so for all levels? Another thing the recruit pointed out was the position of the knee ammo belt, it can be clearly seen in a higher position than on OTTK's and does not appear to have the curve on the bottom of it nor does it appear to have a rivet in the corners. *ADDED this was brought up previously in this thread A member already did the mod to be more screen accurate back in 2011 I will also add a few things Randy "magni" has brought up earlier as well as going over some of my findings. Rivets on the sides of the Ab section which is not mentioned in the CRL. ESB hand plates used on some screen grabs. (mods not included) ESB style holster on the left side, with loops over belt *Note third image is a sideshow fig. Only 4 buttons on smaller ab plate on some not 5. (mods not included) Grey on front of drop boxes on some. (mods not included) Rivet on ends of belt, no cover squares on some. Also no cut off angle on corners of belt. . (mods not included) Shoulder straps not fixed at backplate on all versions Unlike ROTJ the kidney does not have rounded top corners There are also a few difference in the some of the blue lines but I think that would be a little hard to show every variance of those. So the question is should some of these other inconsistencies be added as options? I will number the points so it's easier to track comments. 1 Either overlap or butt join and cover strip method can be used 2 Either overlap or butt join and cover strip method can be used for all levels 3 Knee ammo belt should be positioned higher on the knee than OTTK with no rivets in top corners. 4 There are two rivets on the sides of ab section matching the back plate rivets 5 Either 4 or 5 buttons on smaller ab plate 6 Either white or grey belt box fronts 7 Either rivets or cover squares can be used on ends of belts (depending on whether the belt is straight or corners cut at angle) 8 Straight or angled cut corners can be used on end of belt (depending on the use of rivets or cover squares). 9 ANH or ESB hand plates can be used 10 Holster can be worn, it should be ESB style with loops over the belt and it is placed on the left of the wearer *ADDED 11 5 button smaller ab plate is longer and first button is higher than the larger ab plate 12 Stripe on the helmet is stepped to the side once it goes over the brow trim and is angled. Blue paint on brow trim. The blue stripe also goes halfway through two of the grey teeth. *ADDED 13 shoulder straps not fixed at backplate 14 unlike ROTJ the kidney does not have rounded top corners 15 not all have curved corners on butt plate Please discuss and also include anything that may have been missed. Screen grabs are preferred over images of figures, packaging or general artwork To sum up: 1 Either overlap or butt join and cover strip method can be used - References for both methods provided 2 Either overlap or butt join and cover strip method can be used for all levels - References for both methods provided 3 Knee ammo belt should be positioned higher on the knee than OTTK with no rivets in top corners. - References provided 4 There are two rivets on the sides of ab section matching the back plate rivets - References provided 5 (mod reference) 6 (mod reference) 7 (mod reference) provided 8 (mod reference) 9 (mod reference) 10 Holster can be worn, it should be ESB style with loops over the belt and it is placed on the left of the wearer- References provided 11 5 button smaller ab plate is longer and first button is higher than the larger ab plate - References provided 12 Stripe on the helmet is stepped to the side once it goes over the brow trim and is angled. Blue paint on brow trim. The blue stripe also goes halfway through two of the grey teeth. - References provided 13 shoulder straps not fixed on all versions at backplate - References provided 14 unlike ROTJ the kidney does not have rounded top corners - References provided 15 not all have curved corners on butt plate - References provided Suggested changes are in green. Alternative changes are in purple Helmet Traps (trapezoids on dome of helmet) and tears (area beneath the corners of eye lenses) are grey. Rear traps and tears have vertical black lines. Lenses are flat material, green in color, sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. The “ear” bars have three or four bumps and are grey or painted grey, with a black outline. Painting the bumps with rank stripes (highlighted) in black is optional. Ears shall have a black horizontal anchor-like detail on each side of the ear bar. Frown is painted grey and does not leave the teeth area. Eight total teeth on the frown are cut out. Tube stripes are medium blue, numbering between 9 and 16 per side with the curve bends extending backwards. Vocoder (vertically ribbed chin detail) is painted black. Aerators/Hovi mix tips (cylinders on either side of the vocoder) are black or painted black. Tears, traps, and tube stripes may be hand painted, decals, or decals that replicate hand painted. Blue stripe detail shall be present on the right side of the helmet, starting from the back of the helmet, and continued on to the bottom of the face (stripe tapers to a point as it goes down the face). Mesh may be used behind the frown to obscure the face of the wearer. Note: The helmet is accurate in detail and proportion to official references. Many commercially available helmets or those considered disproportionate in size or shape are ineligible. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Ears shall have three screws per side, one above and one below the ear bar and one at the base of the helmet. Ear bars have four bumps only. Not three. Traps/tears and tube stripes shall have the correct ANH TK details Correct 'Hovi mic' aerator tips. Helmet and details/paint is lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Ear bars shall have only one or two bumps painted in black (rank stripes). Neck trim shall be of an s-type profile rather than a u-type profile. Tears/traps shall be hand painted or use decals that emulate hand painted (with correct ANH TK details). Blue stripe continues over brow trim Ear screws shall be slotted, flat topped, countersunk and painted white. Shoulder Straps These shall be securely mounted in front and may free float in back. They may be affixed with rivets, Velcro, or adhesive. REMOVE OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): No visible rivets are allowed. Shoulder straps shall not have a flat end at the ends of them. They shall be ribbed 100%. Shoulder straps are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): These shall be affixed in the front (no snaps, rivets or brads shall be visible). These shall be affixed in the back (no snaps, rivets or brads shall be visible). REMOVE Upper Arm Armor Biceps are fully closed. Two blue vertical stripes shall be present on both biceps (one to the front and one on the side). OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): No shoulder bell straps across the biceps. Biceps/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). Forearm Armor Forearms are fully closed. Two blue vertical stripes shall be present on both Forearms (one to the front and one on the side). OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Forearms/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): No return edge on the inside of the front of the forearm is allowed. Forearms use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate. REMOVE Hand Plates ANH Hand plates are mounted securely of the back of the glove, As an alternative to plastic, these may be made out of latex or latex-like material. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Hand plates are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Hand guards shall be latex or latex-like, painted white, and permanently affixed to rubber gloves. Back Armor Back plate contains a "O II" design. A blue detail shall be present in the form of a Y-Shape. The blue Y-Shaped detail will have slanted white stripes, one on each side of the flared upper parts of the Y-shape. A white flexible U shaped gasket or molded lip shall be present around all edges. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The Back plate/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Back plate shall have no, or minimal overlap of the kidney plate. AM back plate is replaced with a more screen accurate version. Abdomen Armor Ab plate buttons shall be all black. Ab plate button detail shall be inverted compared to ANH/ESB. A blue stripe shall be present on the ab section and stops underneath the belt area. The blue stripe is wide at the bottom and narrows toward the top, to match up to the blue Y-Shaped detail of the chest plate. A white flexible U shaped gasket or molded lip shall be present around all edges. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Ab plate/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): There shall be no split rivet or brad visible on the crotch tab of the ab plate. Left vertical row of ab plate buttons contain five buttons (fifth button must align one button higher than the top button of the larger button plate) . All buttons are the same size and color and are visible (not covered by the belt). The fifth button is mounted vertically above the standard four buttons. There are 2 rivets on either side of the ab, approximately 5/16"(8mm) diameter, these are lined up with the ones on the kidney, the top rivet is roughly 25mm from the top edge and the bottom is 25mm above the top of the belt and 20mm from the side seam, painted white. OR There shall be no split rivet or brad visible on the crotch tab of the ab plate. REMOVE Left vertical row of ab plate buttons contain five buttons (fifth button must align one button higher than the top button of the larger button plate) . All buttons are the same size and color and are visible (not covered by the belt). The fifth button is mounted vertically above the standard four buttons. There can be either 2 or 3 rivets on either side of the ab, approximately 5/16"(8mm) diameter, these are lined up with the ones on the kidney, the top rivet is roughly 15-25mm from the top edge and the bottom is 15-25mm above the top of the belt and 10-20mm from the side seam, painted white. Kidney & Posterior Armor A separate kidney/butt plate is not allowed - the kidney and butt plate shall be combined/fused to a single plate/one piece. A white flexible U shaped gasket or molded lip shall be present around all edges. The crotch tab of the butt plate area may or may not have visible snaps. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The edges of the hip area are rounded/curved (not like the straight lines found on the ANH/ESB posterior armor). Kidney/Posterior Armor is lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Two rivets shall be present on each side of the kidney plate, approximately 4mm from the inside edge of the U shaped gasket or molded lip that is adjacent to the ab plate. REMOVE There are 2 rivets on either side of the kidney, these are lined up with the ones on the ab, the top rivet is roughly 25mmfrom the top edge and the bottom is 25mm above the top of the belt and 20mm from the side seam, painted white. Kidney can be either ANH (straight corners) or ROTJ (rounded corners) Posterior can be either ANH (straight corners) or ROTJ (rounded corners) There shall be no visible snaps, rivets or brads on the crotch tab of the butt plate tab. OR Two rivets shall be present on each side of the kidney plate, approximately 4mm from the inside edge of the U shaped gasket or molded lip that is adjacent to the ab plate. REMOVE There can be either 2 or 3 rivets on either side of the ab, these are lined up with the ones on the kidney, the top rivet is roughly 15-25mm from the top edge and the bottom is 15-25mm above the top of the belt and 10-20mm from the side seam, painted white. Kidney can be either ANH (straight corners) or ROTJ (rounded corners) Posterior can be either ANH (straight corners) or ROTJ (rounded corners) There shall be no visible snaps, rivets or brads on the crotch tab of the butt plate tab. Belt Belt face is made of plastic (TK ammo belt). The soft belt proper is tightly woven nylon/cordura like/style material or material with a tightly woven nylon/cordura like/style covering. Size is 2.25" (57mm) to 2.5" (64mm) wide. The color is white to off-white. The drop boxes are either grey or white and dangle from the sides of the plastic front belt (ammo belt) via white straps and are aligned with the end of the ammo belt. OR Belt face is made of plastic (TK ammo belt). The soft belt proper is tightly woven nylon/cordura like/style material or material with a tightly woven nylon/cordura like/style covering. Size is 2.25" (57mm) to 2.5" (64mm) wide. The color is white to off-white. The drop boxes are either grey or white and dangle from the sides of the plastic front belt (ammo belt) via white straps and are aligned with the end of the ammo belt. Belt can be longer than standard ANH/ROTJ with square buttons positioned close to the end of the belt OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The belt material is lightly aged (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). Leather and vinyl are not accurate. There are two square buttons, one on each end of the plastic ammo belt. The center square button is not accurate. Belt face(TK ammo belt)and drop boxes are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The corners of the plastic ammo belt shall be trimmed at a 45 degree angle. Drop boxes are closed in the back. The belt proper shall have (eight total) white rivets. Two rivets close to each side of the thermal detonator, and two rivets approximately an inch away from the edge of the ammo belt (The rivets form a rectangular pattern) and are painted white. Thermal Detonator ROTJ Or Game (A.K.A. O2 canister) attaches to the center back of the belt. Detonator consists of an all grey cylinder, without silver stickers or silver paint. The cylinder is between 2” (50mm) and 2.68"(68mm) in diameter with white end caps on each end. The white control panel pad faces upwards, with the controls/round washer style detail closest to the right end cap. The total length is approximately 7.50" (190.5mm). The thermal detonator is attached via metal or metallic-appearing clips, approximately 1" (25mm) wide. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The thermal detonator is lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). Thermal detonator belt clips are positioned with little to no gap between the clips and the end caps. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The thermal detonator control panel has correct ROTJ details, or the "game style" version. The ANH/ESB style is not allowed. Thigh Armor Thigh armor shall be closed in the back. The ammo belt shall be installed on the bottom of the right thigh, The outside half of the right thigh shall be blue with two white semi-horizontal stripes near the top. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Thighs/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The thigh ammo belt shall be connected by brads/split rivets only - standard rivets are not acceptable. REMOVE The bottom corners of the thigh ammo belt shall be rounded off. REMOVE Thighs use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate. REMOVE The thigh ammo belt shall be positioned on top of the lower ridge as seen in official references. The thigh ammo belt is NOT rounded off like ANH. The thigh ammo is glued and has NO rivets. OR The thigh ammo belt shall be connected by brads/split rivets only - standard rivets are not acceptable. REMOVE The bottom corners of the thigh ammo belt shall be rounded off. REMOVE Thighs use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate. REMOVE The thigh ammo belt can be positioned on top of the lower ridge as seen in official references or attached to the thigh with a solid head rivet, painted white, in the upper corner and fastened to the lower thigh ridge.. The thigh ammo belt can either be straight or rounded off like ANH. Lower Leg Armor Greaves close in the back. The trapezoid knee plate (sniper knee plate) is affixed to the left greave and may have two visible brads or rivets securing it to the greave. The AM greaves (shins) shall be on the proper legs, with a new cover strip. The cover strip edge shall be facing the inside of the leg. Note: There is a manufacturer defect with the AM greaves (shins) that may cause you to wear the them improperly. Please see the Tutorial titled :"AM armor shins: the proper way to assemble and wear", on the whitearmor.net Only the outside half of the right greave shall be blue. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Greaves/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Lower Legs use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate. REMOVE Boots Boots are above ankle height and made of white leather or leather-like material. Small U-shaped elastic sections on both sides of the ankle. Flat sole with a short heel. No buckles or laces. Jodhpur/ Chelsea-type boots or an equivalent style is acceptable. Elvis or Mariachi boots are not allowed. Both boots shall have two blue stripes painted, curving across the top of the foot. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): There is no seam present on the front of the boot. Boots are lightly scuffed. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The two stripes curving over the boots are accurate in proportion to official references. OPTIONAL: Holster Holster is made of black leather or leather-like material Holster is worn on the left of the belt Holster is affixed via two black loops over the belt (no fasteners). OR Holster is made of black leather or leather-like material Holster is worn on the left of the belt Holster can either be affixed by two black loops over the belt or attached via straps behind the belt using fasteners already present

I prefer double, I've had a couple fail on me over my time, having that extra there has saved me and kept me trooping, but as Tony has said one is enough if you have good quality snaps and fit them correctly. If you are going for only one snap you could always carry a few spares just in case ;)

I purchased a grabbing box from TM to use on my ATA armor and there was a color difference but since it went on the belt it’s not that noticeable. Not sure how the helmet will look against the armor, someone else may pipe up with experience of that.

Congratulations trooper and welcome to the rank

Congratulations trooper

Just be aware also some companies have swapped their suppliers and one packet of snaps can be slightly different in size to another packet. Definitely pays to check and double snaps are the way to go.

Nice work, I also use a tab type system on my sides, definitely helps them not to spring outwards. Almost there

Lots of great builds on the forums for those with Anovos so make sure you have a look through those before selling your armor. I did hear it was hard to contact him but didn’t know the email wasn’t working, I would suggest also checking on MEPD as a lot of troopers there use RT armor and may have new info or contact.

Glad to see you have access again trooper