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In a word yes! I took moulds from a SF and a RF and they are different. Joe Ps: I agree with the RF SF distinctions and I have NEVER seen a SF in Jedi. They were background helmets at most. EDIT: This cannot be correct as my helmet came from the Deathstar set and I have documented proof of this, in a magazine interview with the first owner who is a prominent screenwriter. Secondly David Oliver's helmet came from an extra in Jedi, so it must have been used in Jedi.

Guys it is obvious when you see pictures of the moulds from a background and non-background helmet. The face on the background helmets is much closer to ANH/ESB and a lot wider as opposed to the other much more wonky moulds. If you take the time to measure the faces at certain points you will see what I mean. I am not going to show pictures as I don't want every tell out in the open. You will have to take my word for it, which I'm sure you won't! Keith has seen both sets of moulds and will I'm sure explain the difference better than me! Joe EDIT: Ps: Jez I might send you pics, pm sent.

Sent you a pm. From the moulds I took from both of my original helmets, I am convinced there were two moulds for the film and they were very different in shape, and the ears were completely different. Joe

As far as I'm aware it is not a haircell one. My point was just that there were 2 moulds. I have taken moulds from a background haircell helmet and non newer Jedi design shaped helmet and they are very different. I can't show pictures but they are chalk and cheese. Any more informaiton would be great Dave! Joe

Dave just to clarify this is no always the case, the background helmet moulds were used on close up/stunt helmets too. Not all the new Jedi helmets were from the same moulds, some where some weren't. There were 2 sets of moulds. 1) Background ANH/ESB style helmets. 2) Squished face moulds with new sculpted ears. This helmet below is from the same moulds as my background helmet and as JBs and David Oliver's, but it has the Jedi decals and metal mic tips etc etc. BUT it is not finished with ESB decals nor resin tips etc etc. If the Jedi background helmets were used in ESB then the moulds must have been re-used to make non-haircell helmets like the one below for Jedi, if that makes sense. Just wanted to clarify that point. Joe

Emailed you back buddy. Joe

I am starting a business and need someone to design a website for me along with some simple branding for the company name. Drop me an email to [email protected] In return I am willing to offer a fully finished ROTJ Stormtrooper Helmet from my upcoming run. Joe

I've owned pretty much every one out there, but I have sold them on over the years. I think the best collections on here are Chewcy and Firebladejedi. Joe

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Message member 'Tyrannus' on the MEPD. He should hook you up. Joe

Here's a pic of the inside of an ANH helmet: -------- Joe

If this is of interest to anyone other than me! This sold for $82,600 including buyers premium or approx £51,600. I can say I am well and truly priced out of the helmet market! Unbelievable price for a Stormtrooper helmet. Joe

I forgot to say, as you study it more, the ROTJ suits and helmets become more interesting. Joe

Yeah kudos his MR Sandtrooper helmet was excellent.

They are not quite ready. Almost there. I won't start a thread until Keith has assembled one. Joe

The TE moulds were sold on. It is up to the new owner as to whether he chimes in or not. I would be happy to partner up and offer my helmet moulds as part of the package. My moulds are from the hero/stunt helmet so it would be a pretty cool combo. Joe

Just noticed that David has sold his background Jedi helmet. As per TM's theory this could have been used in ESB. Propmasters Does anyone know what it sold for? Interesting because www.screenused.com recently sold their stunt Jedi helmet. I wouldn't be surprised if the recession is hitting the prop dealers hard. The screenused helmet went for around £30,000. A dealer could survive for a year after selling one of these. Joe

The background helmet pic I posted in post #56 shows the haircell ABS too. Joe

Cool piece. I agree about the RPF. All the mods stick up for Gino and his bs. The place has really gone downhill. I barely visit anymore... Thanks for sharing pictures. Joe

Dave I presume this was my old foam helmet at Propstore of London with Stephen's hard hat liner helmet (Brandon's old helmet)? Joe EDIT if it is they are not from the same mould. There are differences. I proposed this theory when I was selling the helmet to Stephen but he had little interest in hearing it. I will try to dig up the email.

Fasincating info fellas. It makes sense that the ROTJ background helmets could have been used in ESB having the same decals. They could easily have had the frowns re-painted. Also that they have foam liners like the ANH ESB helmets and not hard hat liners. Does anyone know the type of washers and bolts that were used on the ESB helmets mic tips to secure them, I know the type used on my background helmet, if they were the same this would add credibility to the theory? See the square shaped washer/nut in this picture: Joe

I think the first three are from the same mould. Just the lighting and distances the shots were taken from differ. So two moulds. Troopermaster agrees on the two mould theory. The finishing is just different. The third helmet is from the second, wonky style mould. On the wonky style mould the ears are new sculpts, whereas on the first three shots they are recast ANH/ESB ears. Joe Ps: Here is a shot of the first helmet un-assembled that I haven't posted before, if anyone can do a similar shot of an un-assembled ANH helmet you can see the similarities:

Stefan, show some bloody respect for christs sake. Let us never forget. Joe

What a pointless thread. Let's just enjoy armour and friendly discussions. I couldn't care less about DIY. Paul you should delete this nonsense. Joe

Billy would you be able to do a Jedi ab plate one? Cheers Joe