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-- EDIT 08/31/2022--

Future Jason here,

I just wanted to provide this colorful edit to help explain how I'm going to handle additions to this original post. Initially, I was striking out verbiage as it was written, then adding new text, but it was getting messy. I will continue using strike through text whenever I remove something from the existing CRL, but will follow that up with red text indicating the agreed upon change. Of note, I will try not to make any of these changes unless it's captured in this conversation, but I am receiving input from detachment leadership in addition to what's captured here. If anything ever appears in the CRL text below that a person does not recall discussing, please let us know so the discussion can continue. What I absolutely refuse to do is create ambiguous text, or what I refer to as a "moving target CRL."

Any edits to my original post will be written in yellow so you can follow the changes easier; I will also date any revision/ edit. So again, CRL changes/ additions in red instructions/ original post edits in yellow.

Thanks,

TK-51923 

 

 

Fellow TKs.

After several discussions regarding the inclusion of Remnant Stormtroopers, as seen in The Mandalorian seasons 1 and 2 into the Databank, we have decided to move forward with the creation of a CRL. The goal in developing this thread is to create a CRL specific to the heavily weathered Remnants serving Werner Herzog's "The Client" as well as those seen in Season 2 episode 7 The Believer, working in the rhydonium refinery on the planet Morak. For previous discussion on this topic, please see the following thread:

https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/48305-new-anthology-tk-crl/

 

Additionally, for reference, please see the following picture:
dM3KOwd.jpg

 

Additionally, since we have several new references to draw from since the creation of the original Rogue One TK CRL and it's subsequent revision in 2020, this thread will also serve to address revisions to the current ROTK CRL and the potential creation of a separate CRL for the New Generation/ Anthology TK.

 

Discussions are ongoing regarding how to handle this generation of TK armor that has become synonymous with the Anthology films and various Disney+ series. This includes the existing ROTK, which could be renamed, receive additional variations, remain unchanged, or none of the above. However, one item that has been emphasized to me from detachment staff is that we have to clearly show that this is a unique set of armor without stating "it's dirty." Additionally, we have found several instances in which items were either missing, broken, or taped together by the costume department for the respective productions; these discrepancies will not be included in any new CRL or revisions to existing CRLs. The goal of this thread is to identify the unique attributes of the costume that are uniform throughout all of it's appearances in Anthology films and Disney+ productions, not to capture broken or missing items. Things that will not be considered: broken thigh armor, drop boxes tucked into the thighs or missing altogether, missing TDs, and "$#1++y wardrobe dressing or stunt men with gaffer tape."

 

I'm not going to say who's quote that was. :lol:

With that said, we obviously have an ANH OT bucket resting atop Rogue One style armor. These are on prominent display, but there's other unique characteristics as well. This is our opportunity to post them up and start hashing out the details. Please take a look at the aforementioned thread, but I also intend on posting several of the pictures here.


To get started, I will post the verbiage from our current ROTK CRL, and include the wording from the ANH Stunt helmet. I will continue updating everything as we go along and highlight any changes in red. Additionally, even though this isn't a New Generation/ Anthology CRL, we need to capture anything in the New Generation gear that hasn't been covered previously. If there's new things that have been discovered, please post them.


Let's get started:

 

Helmet

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • Traps (trapezoids on dome of helmet) and tears (area beneath the corners of eye lenses) are gray.
  • Rear traps and tears have vertical black lines.
  • Lenses are flat material, green in color, sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes.
  • The “ear” bars have three or four bumps and are gray or painted gray, with a black outline. Painting the bumps with rank stripes (highlighted) in black is optional.
  • Frown is painted gray and does not leave the teeth area. A total of 8 cut outs in the teeth area of the frown are present.
  • Tube stripes are medium blue, numbering between 9 and 16 per side with the curve bends extending backwards.
  • Vocoder (vertically ribbed chin detail) is painted black.
  • Aerators/Hovi-MIX tips (cylinders on either side of the vocoder) are black or painted black.
  • Tears, traps, and tube stripes may be hand painted, decals, or decals that replicate hand painted.
  • Mesh may be used behind the frown to obscure the face of the wearer.
  • Note: The helmet is accurate in detail and proportion to official references.
    • Many commercially available helmets or those considered disproportionate in size or shape are ineligible.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • Ears shall have three screws per side, one above and one below the ear bar and one at the base of the helmet.
  • Ear bars have four bumps only.
    • Not three.
  • Traps/tears and tube stripes shall have the correct ANH TK details.
  • Ideally, the tube stripes are positioned approximately a pencil width from the side of the cheek.
  • Fall of tube stripe tops ideally lean toward the front.
  • Correct Aerators/Hovi-MIX tips are present. Screens used shall be of a wide type mesh, with the rim of the mic and the inside white or painted white.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • Ear bars shall have only one bump painted in black (rank stripes).
  • Ideally, placement of ears (and screws) should closely follow the rear angle of the trap above them
  • Neck trim shall be of an s-type profile rather than a u-type profile.
  • Tears/traps shall be hand painted or use decals that emulate hand painted (with correct ANH TK details).
  • Ear screws shall be slotted, flat topped, countersunk and painted white.
  • The vocoder must be integrated into the helmet, and not a separate piece.

 

Neck Seal

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck

 

Under Suit

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos/designs.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • Top, where visible shall be fully ribbed with all horizontal ribbing on the arms, chest, and back. The centre of chest and back may be mesh as long as it is covered by armor.
  • Pants shall be black non-textured material and have horizontal ribbing at the knees only. Knee gaskets are allowed as long as they correctly match top ribbing material, spacing and color.
  • The hip section shall not have ribs.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • All ribbing on knees, arms, chest, and back must be stitched between each rib in detail and proportion to official references.
  • The armpit area shall have the correct hexagonal mesh detail

 

Shoulder Straps

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • They may be affixed with Velcro or adhesive.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • These shall be inserted behind the chest tabs and into slots of the backplate.

 

Shoulder Armor

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • One on each shoulder.
  • The shoulders are considered effectively symmetrical; they may be worn interchangeably on the left and right shoulders and may have a black elastic strap that wraps around the inside of the bicep.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • There is no swoop on the shoulder bell raised area.
  • There is no elastic strap that wraps around the inside of the bicep.

 

Upper Arm (Bicep) Armor 8/31/2022

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • Both biceps are symmetrical and interchangeable.
  • The front strip is bevelled and approximately 1/8" thick that does not extend beyond the bicep, and has a smaller cover strip layered thereon.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • Cover strips will cover both the front and back joints.
  • Biceps are loosely held closed in the back with elastic, shock cord (bungee cord) or white Velcro and are designed to remain flexible.
  • The biceps are suspended from the shoulder armor via shock cord (bungee/ framilon cordage) via "J hooks" at the top of the biceps per the screen references. 8/31/2022
  • A separate piece of white 1" webbing or elastic, extends from the shoulder armor, through a slot in the bicep per the screen references. 8/31/2022

 

Forearm Armor

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • The front strip is bevelled and approximately 1/8" thick that does not extend beyond the bicep, and has a smaller cover strip layered thereon.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • Forearms are loosely held closed in the back with elastic, shock cord (bungee cord) or white Velcro and are designed to remain flexible.
  • Cover strips will cover both the top and bottom joints.

 

Hand Plates

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • Roughly pentagonal in shape, the hand plates are mounted securely over the back of the glove. As an alternative to plastic, these may be made out of latex or latex-like material.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • Hand guards shall be made of plastic.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • Hand guards should follow the correct RO shape, ANH hand guards are not acceptable.
  • A small indent in the front of the hand plate shall be present.

 

Gloves

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • Black in color, made of either rubber, Nomex, leather, or leather-like material, with no visible straps or logos/designs. The fingers are enclosed, non-textured.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • Gloves shall not be made of rubber.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • The base material of the gloves will be a black synthetic material similar to Lycra, Spandex, Elastane, or Nylon.
  • Palms of gloves shall be shiny black fabric or leather or leather-like material.
  • On the index finger shall be a stitched piece of fabric made from the same material as the hand's underside that while stitched to the finger has one cutout towards the end of the finger that reveals the netted material underneath.
  • Gloves shall have the correct leather pattern along the fingers/palm.

 

Chest Armor

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • Chest plate overlaps the abdominal plate

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • There are raised trapezoids at the top of the shoulder section beneath which the straps insert.
  • The chest and back sides shall be connected by black extensions pieces.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • Top pectoral out lines swoop correctly outward.
  • Bottom of ribcage flares correctly outward.

 

Back Armor

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • Back plate contains an "O II" design.
  • There are raised trapezoids at the top of the backplate section beneath which the shoulder straps insert. The backplate continues past these trapezoids towards the top of the shoulder

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • Top of box wall has a trapezoidal indentation.
  • There is a roughly 8mm circular indent near the right top corner of the backplate.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • Bottom of backplate is curved and extends past abdominal back cover plate.
  • The O cog shall have 16 spines.
  • The 11 bars have 5 horizontal evenly spaced raised bars on the bottom of the face.
  • There is a rectangular tab protruding from the bottom of each of the two raised trapezoids at the top of the backplate.

 

Abdomen Armor

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • The abdominal armor consists of a one-piece corset design with a vertical opening centred on the back.
  • The back opening is covered by a rectangular cover plate that is worn under the back armor.
  • There are 3 vertical ribs centered on the front of the abdomen and two (one left and one right) ribs further spaced to each side of the center.
  • There are two (one left and one right) angled (approximately 70 degrees) ribs on each side of the abdominal armor.
  • There are two (one left and one right) angled (approximately 70 degrees) recessed ribs on each side of the abdominal armor behind the raised angled ribs that are black
  • Any side shims added are to be added to the white areas of the armor.
  • The center front detail consists of a raised rectangular panel. On the right half of the panel, there is a vertical column of 4 buttons approximately 7/16” (11mm) in diameter. The bottom button is blue while the other three are grey. On the left half of the panel, there is a vertical column of raised evenly spaced horizontal gear teeth with a recessed trapezoid at the top of the column. The rectangular inside bottom of the trapezoid is black.
  • The left front detail consists of a raised rectangular panel with an angled top. There is a vertical column of 4 buttons approximately 7/16” (11mm) in diameter. The bottom button is blue while the other three are grey.
  • The right front detail consists of a primary raised rectangular panel with an additional secondary raised rectangular panel covering the top 1/3 of the primary panel. There is a column of three thin horizontal evenly spaced raised lines across the top ½ of the secondary panel.
  • The abdominal armor is accurate in detail and proportion to official references.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • The cod armor is separate from the abdominal armour.
  • The right front detail panel is centered between the two outer vertical right ribs.
  • The left front detail panel is centered between the two outer vertical left ribs.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • The abdomen armor has two horizontal recessed rectangles centred above the center front detail panel and on each side of the center rib.
  • All 8 Button details are recessed and bordered with a thin edge, only the recessed portion is painted.
  • The center front panel column of raised gear teeth has only 9 teeth.
  • There is a recessed edge (approximately 1/8” 3mm wide) along all four sides around the face of the center front panel
  • The right front detail panel is centered between the two outer vertical right ribs.
  • The left front detail panel is centered between the two outer vertical left ribs.
  • There is a recessed edge (approximately 1/8” 3mm wide) along the sides and top around the face of the left front detail pane
  • The abdominal armor back cover plate has two protruding tabs along the bottom that rest inside the back hard belt. Move to "kidney armor" section.

 

Cod Armor

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • The cod armor consists of a body shape formed triangular plate with a raised center rib and raised lower portion and is accurate in detail and proportion to official references.
  • The cod shall be a separate piece from the abdominal plate 8/31/2022 Removed from Level Two certification. Having this as a level 2 requirement instead of basic may lead people to use OT amor in constructing their kits or create abdominal/ cod pieces that are not accurate to any available references for this costume.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • The cod shall be a separate piece from the abdominal plate.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

 

Kidney Armor

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • The kidney armor is separated in the back and covered by a rectangular kidney/ trauma plate. 8/31/2022
  • The rectangular plate is separate from the posterior armor and sits above the rear hard belt. 8/31/2022

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • The kidney/ trauma plate is large enough to cover the entire gap present in the rear of the abdominal armor and extends up underneath the back armor. 8/31/2022

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • The kidney armor cover plate has two protruding tabs along the bottom that rest inside the back hard belt.

 

Posterior Armor

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • The posterior armor shall be a separate piece from the abdominal armor

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

 

Belt

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • The Ammunition belt consists of a hard belt made of the same or similar material as the armor in two separate parts front and back (with overlap).
  • The back front belt overlaps the front rear belt on the sides. 8/31/2022
  • There are 6 ammunition boxes mounted to the belt.
  • There are 2 (one left and one right) drop boxes suspended by black webbing approximately 2" (50mm) wide. Drop boxes must be accurate in detail and proportion to official references.
  • The ammunition belt is accurate in detail and proportion to official references.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • The only detail visible on the front belt is the mounted ammunition boxes unlike the squares present on ANH belts.
  • The top edge of the front belt has protruding teeth that nest inside gaps between the ribs and detail panels of the abdominal armor.
  • The two center ammunition boxes are thinner than the other mounted ammunition boxes.
  • The second and fifth mounted ammunition boxes are slightly wider than the two center ammunition boxes.
  • The two outermost ammunition boxes are almost square.
  • The two drop boxes are rectangular and as wide as the mounted square boxes.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

 

  • The ammo boxes across the front are all made separately from the main belt and are secured to it
  • The two drop boxes hang no more than 1” 25mm below the front belt and the black strap is visible.
  • The second and fifth mounted ammunition boxes have a trapezoid detail on the top of each ammunition box.
  •        The trapezoid detail is a triangular prism that has no rounded edges. 8/31/2022
  • The front belt protrudes past above all mounted ammunition boxes above and below by approximately 1/8”-1/4” 3-6mm.
  • The front belt  protrudes approximately 1/2" below the front 4 ammo boxes in a trapezoidal shape that extends from the center of both medium sized ammo boxes where it tapers to 1/8"-1/4" (3-6mm) below the ammo boxes across the remaining span of the belt per the official references. 8/31/2022
  • All ammunition boxes, including the drop boxes, have slightly bevelled chamfered edges on the face of each box. 8/31/2022

 

Thermal Detonator

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • The thermal detonator consists of a grey tube approximately 3” 76mm in diameter and 8” 203mm long approximately.
  • There are two white endcaps and a white control panel.
  • The white control panel has a horizontal row of white rectangles along the bottom of the control panel and a grey “D” shaped recessed on the left side of the horizontal row.
  • There is an oval greeble that protrudes from the control near the top right side.
  • The thermal detonator is mounted to the rear hard belt and there are no visible screws or clips and is accurate in detail and proportion to official references.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • The thermal detonator mount should be fully enclosed with solid walls on all four sides.
  • The center of both end caps is gray.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • The control panel bottom detail is a raised panel with 7 raised rectangles, all are evenly spaced except the right most rectangle.
  • There is a panel line approximately ¼” 6mm from the edge around the control panel.
  • There is a panel line approximately 1/8” 3mm from the edge of each endcap.
  • The inside edge of both endcaps is bevelled.
  • The oval greeble consists of an oval tube protrusion with the top edge slightly extending past the tube wall thickness and is visually similar to the Deathtrooper chin greeble.
  • The thermal detonator is made separate from the mount and secured to it. 8/31/2022 I added this due to the number of instances in which we've seen the TD disconnected from it's mount or missing on screen. Similar to the belt boxes, the TD should be separate, but fixed to the mount appropriately as per the screen references.

 

Thigh Armor

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • The thigh armor is mirrored for each leg and not interchangeable.
  • The cover strips are bevelled and approximately 1/8" thick that does not extend beyond the thigh and has a smaller cover strip layered thereon.
  • The top edge of the thigh armor is unadorned, and the bottom edge has a raised detail that fallows the bottom edge contour.
  • The small ammo belt consists of 5 evenly spaced rectangle ammunition boxes and is installed on the bottom of the right thigh, there are no visible screws or rivets.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • Thighs are loosely held closed in the back with elastic, shock cord (bungee cord) or white Velcro and are designed to remain flexible. 8/31/2022 Thigh armor has been seen several times separated (flexible) in the rear, but never worn in the same manner as the arms (bungee cords/ framilon cordage).
  • Cover strips will cover both the front and rear joints.
  • Rear cover strips will close outside over inside, i.e. left over right for the left thigh and Right over Left for the right thigh. 8/31/2022

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • The bottom outside edges of the small ammunition belt are angled  chamfered at approximately 45 degrees.
  • Thigh armor is suspended by a black strap approximately 1” 25mm in width with a plastic side release buckle tri-glide buckle that is covered by black webbing fabric or elastic that runs down the side seam of the leg. 8/31/2022

 

Lower Leg Armor

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • The greaves are mirrored for each leg and are not interchangeable.
  • The top edge of the greaves has a raised detail that fallows the top edge contour.
  • The bottom edge of the greaves flairs out to cover the top of the ankle and boots.
  • The cover strips are bevelled and approximately 1/8" thick that does not extend beyond the greave and has a smaller cover strip layered thereon.
  • Greaves are loosely held closed in the back with elastic, shock cord (bungee cord) or white Velcro and are designed to remain flexible.
  • Cover strips will cover both the front and rear joints.
  • The trapezoid knee plate (sniper knee plate) is affixed to the top of the left greave and there are no visible screws or rivets.
  • Sniper knee plate must be aligned with the vertical cover strip and the top raised edge detail on the greave and is accurate in detail and proportion to official reference.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • The sniper knee plate has raised detail that fallows the top edge contour.
  • The sniper knee plate has 3 trapezoidal lugs on each side and 2 on the center bottom edge (totalling 8) of the knee plate.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

 

Boots

  • Moderate to heavily weathered 8/24/2022
  • Boots are above ankle height and the same style as the First Order TK. Chelsea type boots in the style of OT TK are not acceptable.
  • Boots are all white and made of leather or leather-like material
  • Flat black soles without a heel.
  • Patent leather or high gloss is not permitted.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • There is no seam present on the front of the boot.
  • The wearer's inner side of the boots have zippers and no side elastic.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

 

Optional Accessories

Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use.

 

E-11 Blaster

  • Weathering is optional 8/24/2022
  • Manufactured by BlasTech Industries, the E-11 is standard-issue for many Imperial troops. Light, compact yet powerful, the E-11 blaster is always in high demand throughout the galaxy.

               "Note, the E-11 holster as seen in the Original Trilogy movies is not an authorized accessory for rogue One armor".

  • Based on a real or replica Sterling Airsoft Gun, Sterling Sub-Machine Gun, scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster.
  • A small flashlight shall be mounted on the right side of the blaster centred over the T-Tracks.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • Blaster shall be based on a real or replica S&T Sterling L2A1 AEG Airsoft Gun. (Folding Stock does not need to function)
  • D-Ring shall be present on the rear end cap.
  • Scope shall be a real or replica M.H.R. (Minneapolis Honeywell Regulator Co.) M38 Telescope. 1943 model is preferred.
  • Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter. Eagle logo is preferred.
  • Power Cylinders shall be mounted on top of the magazine well. R1 style power cylinders are preferred over ANH style.
  • 6 rows of T-Tracks cover the Sterling receiver holes except for the lower left row with the bayonet lug.
  • Flashlight shall be a real or replica Element M300A Mini Scout Light.
  • 3D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • Scope shall be a real or replica 1943 M.H.R. Co. M38 Telescope, 1942 model is not allowed.
  • Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter with Small eagle logo. Large eagle logo is not allowed.
  • Power Cylinders shall be R1 style, ANH style is not allowed.

 

SE-14r Light Repeating Blaster

  • Weathering is optional 8/24/2022
  • SE-14r Light Repeating Blaster.
  • The barrel detailing is evident with the cocking lever and slider in place.
  • The ejection port is also evident.
  • The scope mount looks similar to the magazine but smaller in size.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

 

E-22 Blaster

  • Weathering is optional 8/24/2022
  • Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, cast, 3D print or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. It has a extended stock attached at the rear and a extended front housing with second lower barrel.
  • Tactical flashlight (Surefire scout M300 or replica) mounted on right side of barrel.
  • Magazine is extended length.
  • Power cylinder is larger with 2 outer cylinders and 2 smaller central cylinders
  • Scope is a M38 1943 version
  • Scope rail is fitted onto rail blocks, one inside the rear sight and the other at the front end of the rail.
  • There are 3 swivel studs fitted, one on the rear stock and one each side of the front barrel housing.
  • Sling is 25mm webbing strap that is adjustable using a silver 25mm 3 fixed bar webbing buckle (optional).
  • Sling is fitted with Talon quick release 25mm swivel or replica (optional).
  • Red lights fitted on both sides of the rear housing, Hengstler fitted with a red light for the 3 forward tubes and 2 small red lights fitted into the rear barrel housing under the torch, the lights are permanent and are non flashing or pulsed (optional hero version only).

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • Base is based on S&T Airsoft sterling with closed working parts (no spring)
  • Screws used are M4 x 25mm Allen screw/bolts and sunken Allen screws for power cylinders
  • Sling is fitted with Talon quick release 25mm swivel.

 

Pauldron

Rogue One Pauldrons denote rank or mission specialization. The Rogue One Pauldron is specific to Rogue One and differs from the original trilogy in color and stitching. Original trilogy Pauldrons are not an authorized accessory for Rogue One armor.

  • An Orange, white, or black ornament made of leather plastic or leather-like material, worn over the right shoulder. The Orange is specific to Rogue One and a different shade from the original trilogy.
  • A red pauldron as seen in The Mandalorian Chapter 14, may be worn as part of the New Generation TK costume, but not as a Rogue One stormtrooper. 8/31/2022
  • The colored panel is divided into three sections by color matched stitching to conform to the wearers shoulder and has black piping around the outside edge.

  • The remainder of the Pauldron is black and divided by black stitching into 10 segments.

  • The neck closure is black and has two black snaps visible.

  • There is a black elastic strap that runs from back to front and is worn under the bicep to hold the Pauldron in place. The strap is conned to the Pauldron on top by two black snaps inlayed in black “D” shaped leather or leather-like ends.

  • The underside of the Pauldron is white regardless of top color and is divided with white stitching into 13 segments. The entire outside edge is finished with black piping and the underside of the neck closure is black.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

 

 

 

 

 

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Ok, almost immediately after posting that, I noticed that in the Remnant picture I included, the trooper is wearing a belt we haven't seen since the Rogue One promo shots. This was removed in pre-production for the film, but has apparently returned.
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Thank you for getting this up Jason.

 

This will be the official discussion thread for the possibility of CRL changes, additions to existing or additional Tab and or  title addition and potential change if deemed appropriate, for the Rogue One TK CRL.

 

Boy that was a mouthful, but I think you get the idea lol.

Lets bring everything we have into this discussion and see where we land on bringing this dirty TK to life in some way shape or form.

I have notified the LMO team we have discussions starting and welcomed them to take a look at the findings as we progress through.

Same process as usual, we gather as much detail as we can and work the best solution from there. The goal is always to have a member fully prepared to build the costume, which it seems we have a few very interested. We need a model even for additional tabs to an existing CRL as the style of weathering will need to be shown and explained and all differences clearly highlighted.

If we dont have all the parts required for a CRL or addition to existing, then it goes nowhere.

 

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It's amazing how much abuse the lower front of the belt takes with the thighs hitting them, so you can understand them trimming a little extra off the belt

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Very common mod or breakage on a lot of the armor used. Here we have 2 troopers with some of the belt trimmed away or broken

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This trooper has a large piece of thigh missing

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Even the trooper used as artwork for the figure had some thigh missing

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I guess TD's could be optional although the mount is still there ;) 

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Looks like they added/extend the kidney. Also nice crack just under the shoulder strap on the rear

 

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I'll start my updates by going down the list in order. First though, since we are going to be using this thread to capture New Generation armor requirements/ updates to the ROTK CRL, I'll add the New Generation helmet to the list with my suggested edits here:

Helmet

  • Traps (trapezoids on dome of helmet) and tears (area beneath the corners of eye lenses) are gray, with a black pinstripe around the perimeter of the inner grey detail.

  • Rear traps and tears have engraved vertical black lines.

  • Lenses can be flat material, green in color, sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes.

  • The “ear” bars are gray or painted gray, with the largest bar oval cutout painted black.
  • Ears are raised from surrounding surface of helmet

  • Frown is painted gray and does not leave the teeth area. The space between the 8 teeth is hollow and backed with Black or Dark grey wire screen mesh.

  • Tube stripes are medium blue, numbering between 9 and 16 per side with the curve bends extending backwards.

  • Vocoder (vertically ribbed chin detail) is painted black.

  • Aerators/Hovi mix mic tips (cylinders on either side of the vocoder) have a black exterior.  and   The tip is screen mesh, silver in color. screen mesh.

  • Tears and traps may not be hand-painted.

  • Tube stripes are recessed, and the recessed section painted blue or backed by blue mesh.

Note: The helmet is accurate in detail and proportion to official references. Many commercially available helmets or those considered disproportionate in size or shape are ineligible. The Black Series helmet is approvable if modified to meet the level 1 CRLs.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • Lenses have a very slight curve and are convex in style. Flat lenses and ANH style bubble lenses are not permissible.

  • Rank bar area on ear must be of the correct RO style and pattern, no ANH style ear bumps allowed.

  • Head opening has satin or matte black trim running all along the edge along its perimeter giving the appearance of the rubber trim present on OT helmets.

  • Brow trim should be positioned 1/4" above the eyes and is painted in either satin or matte black..

  • Ear screws must not have a visible slot mark and be flush to the ear.

  • Any gap between the ears and helmet will only appear to be a seam, not any bigger.

  • Correct 'Hovi mic' aerator tips.

  • Chin section has a well defined seam from the angles of the mouth.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

  • Only 12 tube stripes per side are allowed.

  • The Tube stripes are completely hollowed out with a blue section underneath.

  • Vocoder is tubular in nature with 7 verticle tubes. A visible gap must be present between the Vocoder and the helmet.

  • The frown shall be recessed to the proper depth, unlike standard ANH.

  • All black details on helmet are painted satin black.

  • All grey details on helmet are painted satin grey.  

  • Ears are either made from separate pieces, or appear to be separate, attached to the side of the helmet, wrapping around the tubes, forming a well-defined seam along the entirety of its perimeter. The circular portion of the ears are raised approximately ½” (12.5 mm) from the side of the helmet with the lower “tail” wrapping around the tubes. The “tail” follows the contour of the tubes, growing to approximately 5/8” (16mm) at its peak, tapering down as it travels below the tubes.

  • The painted detail of each tear is a separate raised piece designed to appear as follows: The bottom is a separate, raised black tear slightly larger than the gray piece it rests beneath. The gray piece, will match the black tear’s shape, but be slightly smaller creating the appearance of a black pinstripe, approximately 1mm in width, around the perimeter of the grey tear. The grey tear will include 8 hollowed out lines that allow the black layer underneath to show through, creating the appearance of vents. Hand painted lines like ANH are not permitted.

  • The painted detail of each rear trap is a separate raised piece designed to appear as follows: The traps will consist of two separate raised details. The bottom will be a separate, raised black trapezoid slightly larger than the gray piece it rests beneath. The gray piece, will match the black trapezoid’s shape, but be slightly smaller creating the appearance of a black pinstripe, approximately 1mm in width, around the perimeter of the grey trap. The grey trap will include 13 hollowed out lines that allow the black layer underneath to show through, creating the appearance of vents. Hand painted lines like ANH are not permitted.

  • The painted detail of each side trap is a separate raised piece designed to appear as follows: The side traps will consist of two separate raised details. The bottom will be a separate, raised black trapezoid slightly larger than the gray piece it rests beneath. The gray piece, will match the black trapezoid’s shape, but be slightly smaller creating the appearance of a black pinstripe, approximately 1mm in width, around the perimeter of the inner grey trap.

  • Chin portion of helmet is either made from a separate piece, or appears to be mounted to the helmet separately from the face, giving the appearance of the well-defined seam present where the rounded portion of the chin mounts to the tubes.
  • There is a small bump in the right eye socket (when worn) under the lens as an intended flaw to pay tribute to the original trilogy designers.

  • The inside of each tear will be a raised area that is grey, with 8 engraved black lines, hand painted lines like ANH are not permitted.

  • The frown shall be recessed to the proper depth, unlike standard ANH.

  • The inside of each rear trap will be a raised area that is grey, with 13 engraved black vertical lines, hand painted lines like ANH are not permitted.

  • The inside of each side trap will be a raised area that is grey.

  • There is a small bump in the right eye socket (when worn) under the lens as an intended flaw to pay tribute to the original trilogy designers.

For each suggested edit, I ask that the person who creates the post also include a reference, preferably a high quality/ resolution picture or screen cap, with a detailed explanation for the suggested change. Please be respectful of each other's ideas

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Picture 1: Separate gray detail piece inside tear on top of separate black piece creating pinstripe around tears and traps. 

Picture 2: Ears are raised from surrounding surface and appear to be separate pieces creating a well-defined seam around ears.

Picture 1-3: Satin black/ grey, not gloss or matte.

Picture 4: Appearance of a separate chin creating well defined seam.

Picture 5: Missing detail from rear trap showing that the grey inner detail is a separate piece.

Picture 6: Appearance of rubber trim around neck opening and another shot of the separate chin.

 

 

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2 hours ago, gmrhodes13 said:

It's amazing how much abuse the lower front of the belt takes with the thighs hitting them, so you can understand them trimming a little extra off the belt

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Absolutely. The other thing to note is how a few of the troopers in Season 1 were also missing their drop boxes. The TK in this pic is either missing them completely or they ended up tucked into the thigh armor. This is also a great shot of how the forearms, similar to the thighs, are held together so loosely. From experience, I can't emphasize how awesome having a flexible "bungee" holding the arm together is.

 

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Here's two different troopers who are both missing their drop boxes which also compliments the next picture.

 

2 hours ago, gmrhodes13 said:

I guess TD's could be optional although the mount is still there ;) 

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I think I asked Andrew about this last year. How do we account for a missing accessory? At the time, I heard a lot of people saying that this (as well as the drop boxes) was simply an oversight by the props department, but at the time I didn't really buy that. When they had a mortar trooper launching TDs in season 2 it kind of confirmed to me that the show-runners know exactly what they're doing. This appears to be a trooper who used their TD in combat. Additionally, if the drop boxes are in fact ammo boxes as we often refer to them as, who's to say they weren't used up as well?

Even though we have missing accessories on screen, I think I'd still vote for them to be required elements of the complete costume. We just have to assume that the troopers in question saw combat and are depleted.

 

2 hours ago, gmrhodes13 said:

Very common mod or breakage on a lot of the armor used. Here we have 2 troopers with some of the belt trimmed away or broken

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I agree. I find it more likely that it was always intended to include this detail as evidence by the pre-production promo shots and now the reemergence of the lower "belt tab." These were likely broken off, or removed for fit and comfort.
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2 hours ago, gmrhodes13 said:

 

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1 hour ago, gmrhodes13 said:

Looks like they added/extend the kidney. Also nice crack just under the shoulder strap on the rear

 

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Look at the difference in kidney plate sizes. For years, we've said that the stormtroopers were approximately 6' 170 lb. persons. However, even though the majority of the troopers on set still appear to share this physic, the actors appear to have been able to select small, medium and large costumes. If you look at the first picture and compare it to the two Glen posted the plates came in a range of sizes. Also, going along with the crack in the shoulder, look at the crack in that first TK's posterior armor. This along with the large section missing from the thigh armor brings me back to that other thread where we were discussing flexible armor. The armor in these pics appear to be typical plastic, hence the breakage.

 

Great catches Glen.

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I spotted this guy in the standoff in Ep 8. Seems to be missing his tear stripes. Or they're heavily weathered with that same grey sprayed on the bucket. I color corrected it a bit to show more detail.

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10 hours ago, revlimiter said:

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I spotted this guy in the standoff in Ep 8. Seems to be missing his tear stripes. Or they're heavily weathered with that same grey sprayed on the bucket. I color corrected it a bit to show more detail.

@revlimiter, good eye. I would go along with your idea on heavy weathering in this case since it's an OT helmet. The reason I say that is because the absence of stripes on an appropriately placed decal, or hand painting, would mean that they weren't hand painted on, or it was simply oversprayed. Additionally, the heavy overspray on every gray detail leads me to believe that your assumption is correct.

 

However, this picture also highlights a few other areas some of us have discussed previously and also shows the abuse these costumes and accessories have endured.

 

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First, going back to the overspray/ weathering, the same thing that's going on with the tears also appears to be happening on the rear traps. Additionally, the black outlines on all these details appear to be dulled to the point where they're nearly extinct. This also includes the rank/ ear bar which only shows a tiny bit of black paint.

Next is actually a bit of confirmation on some building techniques. We often joke about how gaffer's tape has become "canon" in the Star Wars universe. The side extensions show another example in which the props department likely had to perform a hasty repair on a broken piece. What's interesting to me is that they opted to "hard-mount" the side extension piece to the back armor and then likely secure the chest to the extension using Velcro. I've seen a few examples now where the chest is enabled to disconnect from these extensions, but no examples where the extensions are absent, or where they're not attached to the back. To me, this indicates that the extensions are a semi-permanent part of the back armor. I say "semi-permanent" because things have a tendency to snap off and break, i.e. the belt tab I pointed out previously that Glen opined was either removed, or broken.

 

Next is an item I've seen ominously left off of some maker's ROTK kits; the "frame" that outlines the OII backpack. Honestly, some would consider it a minor detail, but when makers choose to leave it off, it just strikes me as lazy. It's another detail that we as builders have to carefully add if we want that added sense of authenticity, but it's also one of those parts that exists in so many references that I feel it should be a requirement for basic approval. I mean, it's a simple shape and clearly obvious detail, kind of like the hole in the back right shoulder. Here's a pic of both:


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By the way, this is also a perfect shot of the bicep closure and J-hook, the larger kidney plate, shoulder support tabs, ribbed undersuit, neck opening seal, and the brown underside of the screen accurate elastic. To me, without naming anyone specifically, there's maker who care, and others who make the build more complicated and frustrating to the individual costumer.

 

Back to broken/ missing pieces. Here's a pic of a nicely built E-22 from the Shoretrooper Grunt CRL:
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As I start digging into the optional accessories, I'll start posting more screen caps of the weapons used by the Remnants, but having built a couple of these, I immediately started noticing things in the pic you posted.

The most obvious are the missing sling and flashlight, but when you start looking at the smaller details, you notice that the little cover plates are snapped off. I understand that however, because I was just looking at my E-22 for a Mudtrooper troop I'm about to do tonight, and I noticed that mine has the same problem and needs to be fixed. So, when a person submits photos, these should be complete, similar to my opinion on the TD and Drop Boxes. When working on the details for the E-22 I would like to suggest deviating from the Shoretrooper CRL by not requiring functional lighting. This seems like it should be a level 2 or 3 requirement, not something for basic approval.

 

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Very strange they painted over the cheek lines as Sandies still have these, may have been overkill of weathering who knows

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Not specific to the Remanent troopers but found this image full of details and didn't want to forget them at a later stage.

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Drop box has a recessed area on the rear for addition of the elastic.

A plethora of gaffa tape 

Nice gash in the side of the ab, I'd say the chest may have been cutting into the ab with excessive movement.

Also shows the Y strapping on the side of the thigh, with coverings. Having played with position of strapping in the past the Y strapping on the side would not allow for very much movement of the thigh, this is probably why we see so many images with the tops of the thighs hitting the belt/cod.

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And here again the straps with the covering sleeves. 

There is a white section which goes around the rear of the belt and attaches to the front belt section, looks like it could be velcro.

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They really went to town on this helmet.

We see more gaffa tape, here it's on the chest.

I've not looked closely at a Black Series TK helmet for a comparison. You can just make out light through the tube stripes.

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And shoulder support tab

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Definitely a lot of variations of drop boxes, 2, 1, none, 1 on opposite sides so I think that would need to be an option.

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I think what we need to also consider is, what would the standardised look be.

As all our other CRL's we sort out what are the anomalies and disregard them.

Missing torches on a blaster or broken tabs, no TD etc could be viewed as those anomalies.

Good to remember we are not about prop replication else we will have those wanting to modify or leave of a part here and there across all our costumes, so lets continue to follow the same standardised rule we always have.

It's certainly fun to see all the images with clear oversights and malfunctions tho.

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By the looks of it so far there could very well only be only 5 remanent troopers max, I haven't seen more than 5 in any one scene, I could be wrong I've only started researching recently and one is not a definite in series 2, so it could be difficult to get a standardized look, BUT if we look earlier in the series most appear to have all their drop boxes, this can change in the same scene too as I've found. 

 

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I would say Drop boxes are a must, standard TK accessory for the OT era.

As to the disappearing TD's you could wager they are general carry for the TK, if missing could be either oversight or costume used for stunt where it is a risk to the stuntmen if they need to take a fall or are launched across a room etc.

The alternate story is they had to use it at some stage or just lost as they are the leftovers still seeking employment and don't know how to do anything else  :P

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I don’t think there’s any reason to deviate from the traditional standards. Just because a scene showed a trooper with his boot flying off shouldn’t mean there is a new one boot trooper :D

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I donno. If troopers constantly appeared in numerous scenes without a boot, or missing two boots... I'd say there's at least room to discuss it.

 

To me, it seems like the TDs and drop boxes are being viewed as consumables by the prop department. They're not just forgetting about them. The troopers are in the scenes without those pieces specifically.   The missing pieces adds to the Used Universe just like the weathering. And in the case of the remnants, they're *extremely* used.

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All, great eyes on all these details. First, let me touch on Glen's comments:
 

23 hours ago, gmrhodes13 said:

Not specific to the Remanent troopers but found this image full of details and didn't want to forget them at a later stage.

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Excellent choice for showing us a lot of details. What's hilarious about this is that the props department accidentally flipped the leg armor around on this guy after the initial pummeling. I'm not sure how I never noticed it before, but those legs are definitely backwards.

Here's the same TK literally 11 seconds prior. Lol. I guess Boba hit him harder than we thought. Another thing to point out which was present on the display at celebration is that the TD end caps are not painted grey. The current ROTK CRL states "The center of both end caps is grey." This is currently an EIB requirement that I think should remain for the Remnant, but for New Generation TKs, our new references appear to have white caps.

 

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White caps in The Mandalorian

 

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White caps in Kenobi

 

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White caps at Celebration

 

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Remnant from the Mandalorian season 1 with grey cap. There's another remnant that appears to have white caps, but I can't get a clear enough shot to determine, so I have to assume it's grey.

 

23 hours ago, gmrhodes13 said:

Drop box has a recessed area on the rear for addition of the elastic.

This is probably the best pic we've gotten of it so far, so that confirms my suspicions. Honestly, I was kind of guessing on this with my original reference photo since it was the same promo shots as the aforementioned belt tab.

 

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When I was researching this last year, I was more interested in the trapezoid on top of the middle sized box. However, I took my best guess and incorporated the elastic recess into the belt boxes I posted in the 3D Print Repository a while back. Again, if anyone wants them, they're available here: 

 

 

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YES! Nailed it! Lol.

 

19 hours ago, Sly11 said:

I would say Drop boxes are a must, standard TK accessory for the OT era.

As to the disappearing TD's you could wager they are general carry for the TK, if missing could be either oversight or costume used for stunt where it is a risk to the stuntmen if they need to take a fall or are launched across a room etc.

The alternate story is they had to use it at some stage or just lost as they are the leftovers still seeking employment and don't know how to do anything else  :P

 I agree. I know they went over the top on weathering details and making the Remnants look like a depleted unit, but we have to imagine that the intent is for these troopers to be complete. I would love to add the realism of leaving off a drop box or the TD, but since we have a mixed bag of examples, I have to lean towards the ones that have all their gear.

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This is just one of those times they flip a scene as we have seen on other occasions

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Fixed :D 

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Here he is just prior to being smashed, note his legs and the rocks behind

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Another example of flipped scene, note the TD

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The grey seems consistent throughout the Mandalorian until these particular troopers. No doubt new armor/pieces would have been needed for Obi-Wan and the endcap detail may have been missed or even dropped.

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One from season 2 episode 8 still grey

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I've stayed away from referencing the Obi-Wan troopers at this stage as there are a few differences, even the weathering is not the same as remnant TK's 

 

 

Here's another oddity, no light or mount on this E-11, again this may have been new pieces needed for this episode and perhaps someone forgot to add the mount and light.

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Another here

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I thought it could be specific troopers didn't have the grey insert, like orange pauldron trooper, mortar trooper, smashed helmet trooper or even those with "stunt" roles

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But then I spotted this regular TK, appears there was a mix of those with or without the grey 

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One thing which is for certain though, I'm over seeing open and misaligned armor pieces :laugh1:

 

 

But I'm straying away from discussing the remnant troopers ;) 

 

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1 hour ago, gmrhodes13 said:

One thing which is for certain though, I'm over seeing open and misaligned armor pieces :laugh1:

 

 

But I'm straying away from discussing the remnant troopers ;) 

:lol: that's funny.
Honestly it's easy to find errors if that's what we're looking for. I think for this exercise, we just have to decide what's uniformly consistent. However, even though we're finding odds and ends in the Kenobi troopers, this is our opportunity to nail down the requirements for the new generation costumes, both for the Mandalorian remnants and others. 

 

1 hour ago, gmrhodes13 said:

This is just one of those times they flip a scene as we have seen on other occasions

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Fixed :D 

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That's funny also. I thought about doing the same thing, but there's a certain joy I get out of these flaws.

One thing though, earlier you circled the Velcro/ fabric/ tape mess at the end of this trooper's belt. I think some of what we're seeing here is the rear soft belt they wore under the hard belt on the new TKs. I've attempted to make one, but without a solid reference other than that one picture of the screen used abdominal closure system we've all referenced a hundred times, we still don't understand the functionality of that belt. I believe it was used to stabilize and pull back on the front belt while providing an anchor for the rear hard belt and kidney plate, but this is purely speculation.

 

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1 hour ago, BigJasoni said:

One thing though, earlier you circled the Velcro/ fabric/ tape mess at the end of this trooper's belt. I think some of what we're seeing here is the rear soft belt they wore under the hard belt on the new TKs. I've attempted to make one, but without a solid reference other than that one picture of the screen used abdominal closure system we've all referenced a hundred times, we still don't understand the functionality of that belt. I believe it was used to stabilize and pull back on the front belt while providing an anchor for the rear hard belt and kidney plate, but this is purely speculation.

One thing is for sure, it can't work very well with the amount of troopers that can be seen with gaffa tape holding the belts shut, I've also noticed it on forearms.

 

Looking through some of the behind the scenes videos and we can see a remnant trooper from a later episode with both drop boxes so it only makes sense that they are meant to be there. They do slip behind the thighs quite often too. Also looks like the thigh garter could be attached to the back of the belt, it over the butt plate

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Well the majority of the time anyway ;) 

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Maybe they've not heard of E6000 :laugh1:

 

 

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21 hours ago, BigJasoni said:

One thing though, earlier you circled the Velcro/ fabric/ tape mess at the end of this trooper's belt. I think some of what we're seeing here is the rear soft belt they wore under the hard belt on the new TKs. I've attempted to make one, but without a solid reference other than that one picture of the screen used abdominal closure system we've all referenced a hundred times, we still don't understand the functionality of that belt. I believe it was used to stabilize and pull back on the front belt while providing an anchor for the rear hard belt and kidney plate, but this is purely speculation.

 

Looking again at the wrap around velcro on the rear plastic belt, this is what I think I am seeing in the previous noted image. They must want the armor to look beaten up, the end of the front belt section has a corner broken away, but you can see this would cover the rear belt velcro. The partial amount of velcro may not be enough to hold the belt with large amount of movement and thigh hits, hence why wee see so many with gaffa tape in that spot.

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Also seen here

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So I would have thought the front belt overlaps the back belt BUT then I found this front image, this belt butts up next to the other with no overlap. Even the two other pictures showing a small overlap still wouldn't cover all of that velcro.

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And again an overlap of belt from front to back, this time with no velcro on the bottom of the rear belt section, perhaps thy did away with it. Once again this just means we will have to decide on a standardised look

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Celebration display trooper's belt overlaps front over back, but again no velcro 

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Appears the common look is front overlap back belt. In this image trooper on the left has glue residue where the belt has moved. On the right we see a trooper who must be a little wider than the standard sized troopers, his backplate doesn't cover the ab/back so as this is wider we also see the two buckles from the harness

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Incinerator trooper belt butts together. So I guess it comes down to a troopers size as to if the belt would overlap or butt together, may have to allow both options.

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And another image of the trooper missing half the top of his inner thigh. 

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Just throwing this out there because it's bugging me, but does anyone else find this pic a bit odd?  To me at least it looks like an extra piece on the top of the calf (left arrow) but it could be gaffa tape.  Also, the back line of the calf is clearly visible and comes straight up, but it appears that the ridge extends out over it leaving a space (right arrow).  I'm thinking it just got crunched and that the calf split at the ridge.  Or maybe I'm just crazy, lol.

 

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