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I can't recall it ever being brought up in CRL conversations, so presently close enough to references is easily acceptable.

Wow fantastic work funkster!!

Hi Alan and welcome to FISD!

Hi Dallas and welcome to FISD A few things for you to check out so once you get going you can easily share photos of your progress in your posts. The First Oder area with all resources you will need. This area has build threads, photo's and our CRL's which is your guide to what is required to get 501st approval if you so desire. https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/forum/218-first-order-battle-group/

And updated It now reads as follows.... Correct Aerators/Hovi-MIX tips are present. Screens used shall be of a wide type mesh. The rim of the mic may be weathered, and the inside raised area painted white. Interior sides shall be painted black, mesh can also be painted black.

Can change it to Tips may be weathered, that allows both.

This is as close up as I can get on a screen used asset for you. The pill holes on the biceps were 100% stickers where the chest plate pills were cut through. These look like the same tape used on the biceps and shins. You can see the small air bubbles under then.

In addition to Joseph announcement, these two images have been added to the CRL gallery tab that appears at the top of each CRL

So because it states plastoid maybe there is no reason not to have plates on the boots but guessing they are the same as Phasma is the issue. What may happen is we end up with an incomplete CRL but allows you to troop until more evidence is presented that you are either correct or otherwise. What that means as per the recent Legion discussions is "if" more details come to light and you are FTL (First to Legion) that means you will be required to update your costume as the CRL is updated. This is the angle the LMO team has been pushing this term. basically trooping allowed on an incomplete CRL with high expectation you will modify as required. I think the time frame from any new evidence on a costume is 6 months from the CRL update, or it may become retired. In reality you are making a guess on the shape and style of plates as well as the colour of the boots. I believe Phasmas boots in production were impossible to get to a silver colour and not have it peel off or deteriorate so they simply went the rout of black. See that is an assumption as well, not fact based on any information I have received from the prop and costume department. CRL at worst are based on assumptions, hence the problems with one of the officer costumes from IOC. This is why the LMO's were hamstrung on the boots in the past, and they are hesitantly using the black series as a minor stop gap for the boots only. As to trooping how you want, that is a decision for your garrison GML, as the detachment, we don't have any say in that, so best to be approved locally trooping in anything not in a given CRL. I would much prefer a green lit CRL, we want to get this across the line and fully approved, because then if changes occur down the track to it, your costume is only grandfathered not force upon you to update it in a given period of time. It becomes entirely up to you whether you change it or not and you can continue to troop on regardless. This would have been so much easier if the book clearly stated Black boots and a brief description of the plastoid plates, that is for certain.

For the record, I also hate using Black series figures as a reference even a stop gap as inaccurate and lazy as they are. Can you please add the exact and full book text description of the boots, it will be of help for sure.

Nice build thread Justin, well done so far.

So far looking much the same as R1. Hit and miss with the light though.

More info from my discussions with the LMO's the black series figure is to be used at an absolute minimum, and in fact they did come back to me and state for the boots only. So to me this is standard FO TK boots in red, no plates. It is also assumed that all TK's have Thermal detonators so you should certainly make sure you have one. The cape is actually the only contentious issue now I have put all the info back together. You mentioned something about a reference book? do you have an image showing the cape with the trim? If so it could be on the table for sure. Also don't forget if in the future anything new comes to light or they make him a live action character, then the CRL would be 100% updated to reflect what is seen on screen. You could then revamp your costume if you so desired to remain the CRL model as if you are the first to complete the costume, you will be the one at the top of the CRL Summary Armour: TFA includes correct parts like forearms etc etc specially for Centurion level. Would be great to have a Centurion spec model for the CRL Helmet: TFA Boots: red no plating. Thermal Det: TFA version. Neck Seal: no issue centurion it just needs to be 11 ribs and shiny so Teresa's is perfect. Gaskets: Fabric at basic and EI, rubber at centurion Cape: post any additional image references you have so I can supply the LMO team for further discussion and review. I spoke with them today and they have requested this. EI and Centurion: all Standard TFA should come across easily to Cardinal perhaps with some additional items in the future. We only know what we know now. I think you are lucky with this one as the CRL is pretty much written aside the colour upgrades, Cape, weapon colour etc, Use the TFA CRL and once you are close to completion we shall discuss the photos we need etc. LMO sign off at the end and happy days we get another CRL at long last.

Thanks Glen. Also the rubber gaskets are available through Thorsson and associates Workshop. This guy does some amazing props and costumes and he also does the rubber gaskets. I inquired a while a go but he usually take around 4 weeks with his workload to get them cast up then he ships them out. Pricing looked reasonable too back then but you will need to check You can message him through his FB page and he will give you price and time frame, but I believe some of our members have used him. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100061258101660

TFA era so TFA helmet was the last discussion I had with the LMO's, that was a little while ago now though. Pretty sure it was standard TFA kit, boots and the addition of the cape, but I cant recall the cape specific details. I will need to refer back to those communications which I shall do after work today. I'll also get those details for rubber gaskets.

Neck seal will be fine as all have been in the past, rubber gasket is definite for centurion as they don't have the stitch lines between each rib, it is our most accurate level after all. I have another vendor who makes the rubber gaskets, I'll just need to dig up his info for you. Always use screen references and check out the gallery images we have. https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/gallery/category/27-tfa-tk-reference/ I'm pretty sure the boots had the LMO team hamstrung for a while as there are no visual references, so the black series figure has red and that's the direction they went. If its not specifically described in the book then that figure is sadly the only other reference you really can use.

Cardinal will definitely have many of the same Centurion elements that the standard TFA TK does, considering it is from the same time frame. I actually made a post on this just the other day in the Anovos Denuo Novo FOTK delivery possibilities thread, I'll just place what I wrote here as well. from the other thread.... Currently Rubber gaskets are only required for Centurion, and we aren't inclined to change that. Latex look for EI would be no issue at all. There are a couple of rubber gasket makers around still which may ramp up a little if demand increases now DN are shipping out kits a plenty. Cardinal is based around the TFA era so armour construction would be the same. I can't see a reason why the initial Cardinal CRL can't have Centurion elements considering it is close to the standard FOTK, so anything that aligns at that level really should be included The following are TFA TK Centurion requirements, of which all would meet Cardinal for centurion in details as the novel state,s he was issued his armour by Brendol Hux, it wasn't custom made like Phasma so a standard issue armour although in the red colour makes the most sense. The cape due to lack of real reference would not have enough to require anything above basic. Conflicting references don't help matters at all as some have silver trim and the Book image doesn't. Neck seal Chest plate side groves Support tabs for shoulders Bicep Trap details Fore arms Glove palms Gaskets Ab box seams Shinny shorts Thigh seams

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Congratulations on EI number 2 Adam, well done.

Congratulations on your Centurion rank Christine!

Fantastic news Jonah, looking forward to your build thread.

Currently Rubber gaskets are only required for Centurion, and we aren't inclined to change that. Latex look for EI would be no issue at all. There are a couple of rubber gasket makers around still which may ramp up a little if demand increases now DN are shipping out kits a plenty. Cardinal is based around the TFA era so armour construction would be the same. I can't see a reason why the initial Cardinal CRL can't have Centurion elements considering it is close to the standard FOTK, so anything that aligns at that level really should be included The following are TFA TK Centurion requirements, of which all would meet Cardinal for centurion in details as the novel state,s he was issued his armour by Brendol Hux, it wasn't custom made like Phasma so a standard issue armour although in the red colour makes the most sense. The cape due to lack of real reference would not have enough to require anything above basic. Conflicting references don't help matters at all as some have silver trim and the Book image doesn't. Neck seal Chest plate side groves Support tabs for shoulders Bicep Trap details Fore arms Glove palms Gaskets Ab box seams Shinny shorts Thigh seams