troopermaster Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Personally I would only make one version and it would be the pull on type. I think only hardcore troopers will want a latex neckseal and those guys will be looking for screen accurate seals with a shredded bib. Just my 2p worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Thanks Paul! I appreciate your input, as always! Of course, I'd prefer the pull on type. Those other options are really for those who want them. As I said before, there's no way I could pull off a seamless one-piece seal* (without shelling out hundreds of monies and/or putting countless worktime on every finished piece)** But I doubt the orginals were seamless. Remember that obvious seam in the Tantive hall? Mybest guess is (what ever they used) there was some cutting (bib) and glueing involved. And of course it's for the HC troopers! .. But on the other hand, 4 years ago, only HC guys wanted flexible hand guards *(One way is to dunk a heavy plaster mold in big tank full of liquid latex serveral times. The other way is to hand brush the latex onto a big, heave latex moldand on the same time using a hair dryer to dry the latex. Takes several hrs for 3-4 layer per seal. NOT very cost reductive) **(There is the distict possibiliy that I'll be able to make silicone one-piece in the not-so-far-away future. But it all depends one certain factors like demand etc) ***( Thanks everyone who read my mental diarrhea so far! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 By the way the texture of your sample reminded me of the texture I saw in a screen grab of Han's neck seal. Good luck with continued efforts and I'm looking forward to seeing the results. Thanks! Indeed! It does look almost like the hero texture. But for the stunt ones, the texture will be removed, it will be slick and glossy Some of you are wondering, which there's such slow progress. As I said in another thread: When it comes to prop replicating/ costuming, 3 adjectives apply: Fast accurate cheap You can only have 2, but not all 3 e.g. If you want it fast and accurate, it won't be cheap If you want it cheap and accurate, be prepared to wait some time if you want it fast and cheap, it won't be accurate See? For those who are new: The current version of my hand guards took about 3 years to develop! But I had a lot of help and input from the members here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troopermaster Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I think they are seamless and a mould would be very simple to make after the initial sculpting was done. I'm sure i don't need to tell you how to cast a thin membrane which is all these seals are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 You're really getting into my mind, Paul Thanks! I'll do my math again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 (edited) Just just opend my mind and I just solved a couple of problems. THANK YOU! My thinking was TOO complicated! Edited August 3, 2012 by Sonnenschein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locitus[Admin] Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 So you're going to cast them as a flat circle and cut out the middle for the neck opening? I'm just guessing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 So you're going to cast them as a flat circle and cut out the middle for the neck opening? I'm just guessing here. that was about the plan....5 minutes ago! But that would have been cheating and the result would have been reduced accuracy My visit to the latex clothing factory was helpful, but a little terrifying (because of the size and the machines). I now know how to turn into a smaller "scale". It will be a one piece again. Stretchy, but not "choky", which will "fit most" It it works out, it will be easy to make (for me) and highly affordable. I will proceed to my the next (wearable) prototype they way I planned, just to get the the dimensions right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locitus[Admin] Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Very cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troopermaster Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 It will be a one piece again. Stretchy, but not "choky", which will "fit most" Now your talking my kind of language Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Yeah, sorry I drifted a little off of the path to accuracy But those tests in the past week (and the encouragements, of course) help a lot and things are quite clear to me now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R5SB[TK] Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I like the sound of this neck seal more and more! When you have some more pictures to share I would love to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I like the sound of this neck seal more and more! When you have some more pictures to share I would love to see them. Thanks Andy! Stay tuned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turrican Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 What if you would make a mastermould like a pillar put the rubber on this mould and heat or vacform it? Would this possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 What if you would make a mastermould like a pillar put the rubber on this mould and heat or vacform it? Would this possible? Sorry, I can't follow you. I'm pretty much clear about how to make the mold, I'm thinking of reducing costs at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Hi Karin ,you go girl i just know your going to nail this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted August 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) Thanks, Steve! It's no secret that I terribly suck with sculpting; I can't even make a clay ashtray. This is all trial and error for me. So I made me (yet) another tool, to get those ribs right. (I tried about 8 different methods so far) Sorry, for the blurry pic, but I hope you'll "get the picture". IT's still free hand, but I think I've "nailed it" I obvioulsy need a guide to make them straight; I'm scuplting the "bib" next. Edited August 17, 2012 by Sonnenschein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Batman[TK] Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Loving this thread. The last unknown! Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted August 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) Loving this thread. The last unknown! Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2 Not really. We still don't know the make of underwear and what brand of cigarrettes the bridge trooper had hidden in his crotch... Edited August 17, 2012 by Sonnenschein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmrhodes13[Staff] Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 That's going very well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Batman[TK] Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Not really. We still don't know the make of underwear and what brand of cigarrettes the bridge trooper had hidden in his crotch... You might not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted August 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Plese enlighten me Here' s quick sketch of the general shape I'm planning on: What do you say? Edited August 27, 2012 by Sonnenschein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt black Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Very, very interested in one of these Karin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted August 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I hope I'll finish it soon! After a year of so of gedanken experiments I finally start building something it was pointed out to me that most neck seals have kind of a bowl shape. it looks better than a flat one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Aloha[Admin] Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Looks good to me... ANH stunt reference photos below from the FISD wiki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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