Daetrin[Admin] Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Well, every garrison is different. I know in ours unless it's a canon event we can troop in unapproved costumes (e.g. like trooping a book store or comic store). It's a great way for people to get the kinks out of their kits and as long as they are pretty close no one sweats it. Then again, we also aren't as anal about helmets on either (e.g. do your best effort but not if you're about to pass out or taking a lunch break), so take it FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk8428 Posted October 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 just had a very long chat with our XO and the line is no bazooka no trooper, but i also now need 3 sep ref pics of hwt !! nightmare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonitekid Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Well, every garrison is different. I know in ours unless it's a canon event we can troop in unapproved costumes (e.g. like trooping a book store or comic store). It's a great way for people to get the kinks out of their kits and as long as they are pretty close no one sweats it. Then again, we also aren't as anal about helmets on either (e.g. do your best effort but not if you're about to pass out or taking a lunch break), so take it FWIW. UKG only do canon events mate, thats the problem. Every troop is dealt with as if Lucas himself is about to walk through the door. Makes for very high standards, but can sometimes lead to situations like this. As for lids: we have, as many already know, a lids on at all times infront of the public. Its made a little more workable as we ensure that EVERY event we attend is due to invitation and that we are provided with secure changing / lids off facilities out of the public eye. But thats for another discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueTrooper[TK] Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 (edited) Hey Blaine, check your topic titled "HWT clearence pictures" . Look at post #6: -------- I just posted some pix and info over there that may help you out. I think that it is clear and should be in your favor. Hope they help ya, if I find more I will post them Edited September 15, 2021 by gmrhodes13 link not working removed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chex[501st] Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 The answer is simple, mate. Move to the states! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk8428 Posted November 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 The answer is simple, mate. Move to the states! i wish lol. this costume is on hold now until i decide if i still want to troop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk8428 Posted November 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 well just sold my pride and joy a gorgeous hyperfirm T21 as my garrison wont let me troop as a HWT with it !! still cant decide whether to build a bazooka to make them happy or may even go Incinerator Trooper! but i know they'll want a damn flamethrower then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daetrin[Admin] Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 Still surprised that the GML could overturn an LMO ruling - technically the LMO sets standards, and the GML acts under that direction. Well, perhaps next year a new GCO may have a different opinion. In the meantime, that flamethrower is outstanding and there's now way they can say no to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk8428 Posted November 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Still surprised that the GML could overturn an LMO ruling - technically the LMO sets standards, and the GML acts under that direction. Well, perhaps next year a new GCO may have a different opinion. In the meantime, that flamethrower is outstanding and there's now way they can say no to that. i Know that and i respect that we have a chain of command just as i respect the high standards of the UK Garrison afte all it's why i joined but... i was under the impression ( correct me if i'm wrong please) that EU costumes were just passed on to the LMO for decision by the local GML! if this is true then the Local GML has to abide by the LMO ( i understand that we need high quality and wouldnt complain if i'd tried to pass off a second rate costume.)but it wasn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daetrin[Admin] Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Yes, that is my understanding, and hence my confusion as to why the UK GML seems able to override the LMO when other GML's cannot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehickey Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Yes, that is my understanding, and hence my confusion as to why the UK GML seems able to override the LMO when other GML's cannot. The UK GML should not be doing that, and is proving what a top notch a-hole he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrazor Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 The UK GML should not be doing that, and is proving what a top notch a-hole he is. it seems to me that he may possibly have a personal dislike EU stormtroopers in general, and is making the standards for approval ridiculously higher to discourage people from attempting type of build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonitekid Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 it seems to me that he may possibly have a personal dislike EU stormtroopers in general, and is making the standards for approval ridiculously higher to discourage people from attempting type of build. Considering he was one of the UKG's pioneers for EU costuming I find that highly unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daetrin[Admin] Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Considering he was one of the UKG's pioneers for EU costuming I find that highly unlikely. Agreed. I think the issue is not the GML, just that the rules aren't clearly spelled out. If the GML can overrule the LMO, fine then so be it. If not, then problem equally solved. It's the ambiguity that is the issue, not the GML. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrazor Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 well i do not pretend to know the reasoning by any means... i am just seeing the end result, witch is somebody being discouraged from trooping/ and building by unreasonable changes being made to the set standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk8428 Posted November 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 ok to clarify my point i am not saying anyone person is at fault. i agree we need high standards but i aslo want the command structure is to be upheld eg: surely if the LMO says that would be ok then the GML has to abide or challenge the LMO directly. not just tell the member no sorry. surely there should be communication between the LMO and GML as i understood the EU costumes are supposed to be passed up to the LMO for clearance. if the GML has a valid point then the LMO can change the CRL requirements.. use the chain of command guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonitekid Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 ok to clarify my point i am not saying anyone person is at fault. i agree we need high standards but i aslo want the command structure is to be upheld eg: surely if the LMO says that would be ok then the GML has to abide or challenge the LMO directly. not just tell the member no sorry. That would mean all TK's can troop with black tube stripes and ab buttons then? Just to play Devils advocate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davej[TK] Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 (edited) Yes, that is my understanding, and hence my confusion as to why the UK GML seems able to override the LMO when other GML's cannot. For EU stuff, the GML applies to the LMO for approval. If the GML never actually asks the LMO for approval, then the LMO has no say in the matter. Blaine, did you apply directly to Thomas, or was it through your GML? Sometimes you can go outside the box Edited November 29, 2010 by davej Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk8428 Posted November 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 For EU stuff, the GML applies to the LMO for approval. If the GML never actually asks the LMO for approval, then the LMO has no say in the matter. Blaine, did you apply directly to Thomas, or was it through your GML? Sometimes you can go outside the box apparently thr gml never sends it up to the lmo. the lmo has seen the costume and said ok but my garrison still said no therefore i would not be able to troop in said costume.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davej[TK] Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 apparently thr gml never sends it up to the lmo. the lmo has seen the costume and said ok but my garrison still said no therefore i would not be able to troop in said costume.. Thought so. As a Garrison Co, I get to see all the EU applications that the GML's send to Thomas. Never saw yours If your GML never puts it up, then the costume doesn't exist. Bugger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk8428 Posted December 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 i've pretty much given up!! i cant be bothered with the hassle as long as i only want to troop as a standard tk i'll have no problems which from now on is all i'll do. . when i question stuff i just get told but you shouldnt aim for just passing the crl'l you should aim to be the best. but a pass is still a pass .... i agree in a way but once i was cleared i could work on making it the best not every one has unlimited funds or time i'd like to troop in a costume not spend 3 years building it then get told no anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK bondservnt[501st] Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 why not make up a cannon, and troop with it? I'm in this same decision process with the HWT, and I've opted to make a cannon, and go with that. I'm even going for the video game variant of the pack. lot's of details different from a sandy pack, that's fur sure! hopefully you can resolve this! nice job on the armor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk8428 Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) yeah i could build the bazooka but why?? its no fun here anymore no one would know what a heavy weapons trooper is anyway.. so i have made a sad decision to stop trooping.. i'm looking at a non 501st group but dont know if i can be bothered so may well just sell my commander and tk and have fun with something else ... Edited January 7, 2011 by tk8428 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueTrooper[TK] Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Blaine, I hate to hear that something that has given you joy is no longer fun for you. If I may give you a bit of advice, take a deep breath, take some time off, let the wounds heal and don't do something that you may regret. Don't get rid of your stuff, just take a small vacation from this. The problem with you HWT may change in the future, you never know. Just don't burn any bridges. If you need anybody, we are here for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrazor Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 what he said. we got your back bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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