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Great news, looking forward to those BBB pics soon

All sounds pretty much one too one talk to me

Definition of chatter. 1 : the action or sound of chattering. 2 : idle talk : prattle. 3 : electronic and especially radio communication between individuals engaged in a common or related form of activity; also : such chatter regarding future hostile activities.

Personally I don't believe I have heard any chatter in the OT movies, usually coms too or from a TK is one to one.

Contacting the LMO will probably do more than posting a rant on a thread that hasn't been active since 2016

Just an FYI anyone can submit information to the Legion Membership Office in regards to CRL updates, if you have proof either written or image reference then take the time to approach the LMO and request changes be made, what they may have had in regards to references years ago may not be what's available now. The CRL's don't just stop once they are created, many have updates and changes made to them, as new references come to hand or a more accurate version of the costume is seen. It's usually those who are passionate about the costumes who ultimately create the CRL's

If you do use nylon or elastic I would suggest using a soldering iron to make the holes, just helps to seal the edges around the holes and prevents the snap from pulling though

Great work

I have one set fully closed and the other set with Velcro, I find the fully closed doesn't seem to catch as much as the Velcro set bug that may not be the same for others Coming along nicely

You may want to add a little strapping on the sides of the butt plate so it pulls it in and sits against the kidney better, at the moment it's angled over. If that doesn't work you could always try adding some tabs to keep it in alignment. EDIT I stand corrected Holster goes on the other side too

Snaps definitely don't hold well if they are on a slight angle. Follow Chris's suggestion and use a sharp drill bit, seems to help reduce the heat. Good luck.

It's definitely frustrating waiting for glue to dry when you are on a building frenzy . Can never have enough clamps, magnets or blue tape.

Thanks Boss. I'm happy to have it published when ever our DO's and you are happy, I have already added some info and link to the thread in the CRL section of the newsletter in case we wanted to leave it longer. Two of our TKC centurions have posted positive feedback and seem happy with the changes

Easily fixed, I don't English speak good do I not

Nice work on those ab buttons

Adding some photos Hand plate options ANH or ESB/ROTJ TD's ROTJ Or Game

Cheers Andrew Thank you Arthur, I agree I think there should be photo reference of both the correct TD's, ROTJ and the Game version, I'll have a look through my files and have those images included in the changes. Cheers.

Looking forward to seeing it painted, good luck

Roger that, I've kept a copy of everything I've found so it can all go in one place, will makes things a little easier for those starting their researching

Congratulations trooper

To sum up: 1 Either overlap or butt join and cover strip method can be used - References for both methods provided 2 Either overlap or butt join and cover strip method can be used for all levels - References for both methods provided 3 Knee ammo belt should be positioned higher on the knee than OTTK with no rivets in top corners. - References provided 4 There are two rivets on the sides of ab section matching the back plate rivets - References provided 5 Either 4 or 5 buttons on smaller ab plate - References provided 6 Either white or grey belt box fronts - References provided 7 Either rivets or cover squares can be used on ends of belts (depending on whether the belt is straight or corners cut at angle) - References provided 8 Straight or angled cut corners can be used on end of belt (depending on the use of rivets or cover squares). - References provided 9 ANH or ESB/ROTJ hand plates can be used - References provided 10 Holster can be worn, it should be ESB style with loops over the belt and it is placed on the left of the wearer- References provided 11 5 button smaller ab plate is longer and first button is higher than the larger ab plate - References provided 12 Stripe on the helmet is stepped to the side once it goes over the brow trim and is angled. Blue paint on brow trim. The blue stripe also goes halfway through two of the grey teeth. - References provided 13 shoulder straps not fixed on all versions at backplate - References provided 14 unlike ROTJ the kidney does not have rounded top corners - References provided 15 not all have curved corners on butt plate - References provided Suggested changes are in green so they stand out. Helmet Traps (trapezoids on dome of helmet) and tears (area beneath the corners of eye lenses) are grey. Rear traps and tears have vertical black lines. Lenses are flat material, green in color, sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. The “ear” bars have three or four bumps and are grey or painted grey, with a black outline. Painting the bumps with rank stripes (highlighted) in black is optional. Ears shall have a black horizontal anchor-like detail on each side of the ear bar. Frown is painted grey and does not leave the teeth area. Eight total teeth on the frown are cut out. Tube stripes are medium blue, numbering between 9 and 16 per side with the curve bends extending backwards. Vocoder (vertically ribbed chin detail) is painted black. Aerators/Hovi mix tips (cylinders on either side of the vocoder) are black or painted black. Tears, traps, and tube stripes may be hand painted, decals, or decals that replicate hand painted. Blue stripe detail shall be present on the right side of the helmet, starting from the back of the helmet, and continued on to the bottom of the face (stripe tapers to a point as it goes down the face). Mesh may be used behind the frown to obscure the face of the wearer. Note: The helmet is accurate in detail and proportion to official references. Many commercially available helmets or those considered disproportionate in size or shape are ineligible. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Ears shall have three screws per side, one above and one below the ear bar and one at the base of the helmet. Ear bars have four bumps only. Not three. Traps/tears and tube stripes shall have the correct ANH TK details Correct 'Hovi mic' aerator tips. Helmet and details/paint is lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Ear bars shall have only one or two bumps painted in black (rank stripes). Neck trim shall be of an s-type profile rather than a u-type profile. Tears/traps shall be hand painted or use decals that emulate hand painted (with correct ANH TK details). Blue stripe continues over brow trim Shoulder Straps These shall be securely mounted in front and may free float in back. They may be affixed with rivets, Velcro, or adhesive. REMOVE OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): No visible rivets are allowed. Shoulder straps shall not have a flat end at the ends of them. They shall be ribbed 100%. Shoulder straps are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): These shall be affixed in the front (no snaps, rivets or brads shall be visible). These shall be affixed in the back (no snaps, rivets or brads shall be visible). REMOVE Upper Arm Armor Biceps are fully closed. Two blue vertical stripes shall be present on both biceps (one to the front and one on the side). OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): No shoulder bell straps across the biceps. Biceps/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). Forearm Armor Forearms are fully closed. Two blue vertical stripes shall be present on both Forearms (one to the front and one on the side). OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Forearms/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): No return edge on the inside of the front of the forearm is allowed. Forearms use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate. REMOVE Hand Plates ANH or ESB/ROTJ Either ANH or ESB/ROTJ can be used, hand plates are mounted securely of the back of the glove, As an alternative to plastic, these may be made out of latex or latex-like material. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Hand plates are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): If using ANH-style hand guards, they shall be latex or latex-like, painted white, and affixed to rubber gloves. Back Armor Back plate contains a "O II" design. A blue detail shall be present in the form of a Y-Shape. The blue Y-Shaped detail will have slanted white stripes, one on each side of the flared upper parts of the Y-shape. A white flexible U shaped gasket or molded lip shall be present around all edges. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The Back plate/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Back plate shall have no, or minimal overlap of the kidney plate. AM back plate is replaced with a more screen accurate version. Abdomen Armor Ab plate buttons shall be all black. Ab plate button detail shall be inverted compared to ANH/ESB. A blue stripe shall be present on the ab section and stops underneath the belt area. The blue stripe is wide at the bottom and narrows toward the top, to match up to the blue Y-Shaped detail of the chest plate. A white flexible U shaped gasket or molded lip shall be present around all edges. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Ab plate/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): There shall be no split rivet or brad visible on the crotch tab of the ab plate. Left vertical row of ab plate buttons contain either four or five buttons (fifth button must align one button higher than the top button of the larger button plate) . All buttons are the same size and color and are visible (not covered by the belt). The fifth button is mounted vertically above the standard four buttons. There are 2 rivets on either side of the ab, these are lined up with the ones on the kidney, the top rivet is roughly 25mm from the top edge and the bottom is 25mm above the top of the belt and 20mm from the side seam, painted white. Kidney & Posterior Armor A separate kidney/butt plate is not allowed - the kidney and butt plate shall be combined/fused to a single plate/one piece. A white flexible U shaped gasket or molded lip shall be present around all edges. The crotch tab of the butt plate area may or may not have visible snaps. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The edges of the hip area are rounded/curved (not like the straight lines found on the ANH/ESB posterior armor). Kidney/Posterior Armor is lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Two rivets shall be present on each side of the kidney plate, approximately 4mm from the inside edge of the U shaped gasket or molded lip that is adjacent to the ab plate. There are 2 rivets on either side of the kidney, these are lined up with the ones on the ab, the top rivet is roughly 25mmfrom the top edge and the bottom is 25mm above the top of the belt and 20mm from the side seam, painted white. Kidney can be either ANH (straight corners) or ROTJ (rounded corners) Posterior can be either ANH (straight corners) or ROTJ (rounded corners) There shall be no visible snaps, rivets or brads on the crotch tab of the butt plate tab. Belt Belt face is made of plastic (TK ammo belt). The soft belt proper is tightly woven nylon/cordura like/style material or material with a tightly woven nylon/cordura like/style covering. Size is 2.25" (57mm) to 2.5" (64mm) wide. The color is white to off-white. The drop boxes are either grey or white and dangle from the sides of the plastic front belt (ammo belt) via white straps and are aligned with the end of the ammo belt. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The belt material is lightly aged (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). Leather and vinyl are not accurate. There can be either two square buttons, one on each end of the plastic ammo belt OR a rivet on either end, painted white. The center square button is not accurate. Belt face(TK ammo belt)and drop boxes are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The belt can either be left straight (if using rivets) or can be trimmed at a 45 degree angle (if using square buttons). Drop boxes are closed in the back. The belt proper shall have (eight total) white rivets. Two rivets close to each side of the thermal detonator, and two rivets approximately an inch away from the edge of the ammo belt (The rivets form a rectangular pattern) and are painted white. Thermal Detonator ROTJ Or Game (A.K.A. O2 canister) attaches to the center back of the belt. Detonator consists of an all grey cylinder, without silver stickers or silver paint. The cylinder is between 2” (50mm) and 2.68"(68mm) in diameter with white end caps on each end. The white control panel pad faces upwards, with the controls/round washer style detail closest to the right end cap. The total length is approximately 7.50" (190.5mm). The thermal detonator is attached via metal or metallic-appearing clips, approximately 1" (25mm) wide. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The thermal detonator is lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). Thermal detonator belt clips are positioned with little to no gap between the clips and the end caps. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The thermal detonator control panel has correct ROTJ details, or the "game style" version. The ANH/ESB style is not allowed. Thigh Armor Thigh armor shall be closed in the back. The ammo belt shall be installed on the bottom of the right thigh, The outside half of the right thigh shall be blue with two white semi-horizontal stripes near the top. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Thighs/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The thigh ammo belt shall be connected by brads/split rivets only - standard rivets are not acceptable. REMOVE The bottom corners of the thigh ammo belt shall be rounded off. REMOVE Thighs use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate. REMOVE The thigh ammo belt shall be positioned on top of the lower ridge as seen in official references. The thigh ammo belt is NOT rounded off like ANH. The thigh ammo is glued and has NO rivets. Lower Leg Armor Greaves close in the back. The trapezoid knee plate (sniper knee plate) is affixed to the left greave and may have two visible brads or rivets securing it to the greave. The AM greaves (shins) shall be on the proper legs, with a new cover strip. The cover strip edge shall be facing the inside of the leg. Note: There is a manufacturer defect with the AM greaves (shins) that may cause you to wear the them improperly. Please see the Tutorial titled :"AM armor shins: the proper way to assemble and wear", on the whitearmor.net Only the outside half of the right greave shall be blue. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Greaves/blue Commander details are lightly scuffed (battle worn), but not weathered like a Sandtrooper (TD). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Lower Legs use the overlap construction method. Using the butt joint and cover strips is not accurate. REMOVE Boots Boots are above ankle height and made of white leather or leather-like material. Small U-shaped elastic sections on both sides of the ankle. Flat sole with a short heel. No buckles or laces. Jodhpur/ Chelsea-type boots or an equivalent style is acceptable. Elvis or Mariachi boots are not allowed. Both boots shall have two blue stripes painted, curving across the top of the foot. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): There is no seam present on the front of the boot. Boots are lightly scuffed. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The two stripes curving over the boots are accurate in proportion to official references. OPTIONAL: Holster Holster is made of black leather or leather-like material Holster is worn on the left of the belt Holster is affixed via two black loops over the belt (no fasteners). Please also note while researching the holster I noticed the ESB Stormtrooper holster shown in the ESB CRL shows an ANH version with natural colour straps not black loops, perhaps best to change to ESB version so there is no confusion.

Powering along, that organised mess looks very familiar

Congratulations trooper

It is amazing how much info is actually on these forums, the more you search into a particular costume the more you find and I think I've just finished looking through every TKC thread now. Some of those differences, knee ammo strip placement with no rivets, 2 rivets on both sides of ab and kidney plates, angled stepped stripe on helmet, the info was there and has been brought up at least once, but either got lost or changed over time. It's only really when you stop looking at just one set of references and start comparing those with other references that you start seeing some of the differences and remember this is without including any references from figures, promo material or earlier renderings which had been found to be incorrect to screen versions. My take on this is that it's not like taking references from one movie like ANH where there is consistency between most of the costumes seen, with the odd exception of one of the costume helmets not having tube stripes, or one of the costumes with a belt positioned in a different spot and so on, the references are taken from different platforms and versions of the game so my thoughts would be that some of these are added to the CRL as options, after all the references are there. Some things do not change between the references so some adjustments may need to be made, some of those, position of the knee ammo strip with no rivets, the rivets on the sides of the ab and kidney, position and angle of the stripe on helmet and so on. And a few days ago I knew none of this, not until a recruit challenged something in the CRL, now I think I have the bug and I may have to look into building one