vadersculptor Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) I think it's funny that MATT G would not answer 2 basic questions: 1. how old was he in 1976? 2. what gives him the right to make armor at all? T E never answered the questions. and acts like a 10 year old foul mouthed kid on a blog. look at the AA discussion board on facebook. I challenge him all along the way. and I support AA's work. people don't understand at all the bandwagon they are jumping on when they talk about things they don't understand. AA personally sculpted the bucks himself using the clay sculpts as a guide. the original armor moulds were destroyed in a fire, but the skins were saved aside. the skins were plastic sheets formed over the moulds and then saved. the original helmet mould, and the blister eye mould were the only bucks that survived the propane and plastic fire. if you look at the statements made during the court case... the position that AA puts forward is that while liz and brian made the original designs in clay. he then created another type of work, adding in his own expertise, to make forming bucks from the design. remember that the studio's prop department could not do the job on time in budget... so Andrew was tasked and performed by working 24 hour days to get the job done! I look forward to the sci man armor... that's for sure! You really have your facts wrong regarding what AA said in his statements. He never mentioned a clay sculpt until I told the Lucas lawyer that I saw one outside the Art Dept at Elstree Studios obviously because he had NEVER seen a clay helmet - he was given the fibreglass tools to pull on. When AA was given the knowledge via my statement that a clay helmet was sculpted he then said Pemberton did it not Liz. Pemberton or his partner did a Stormtrooper helmet but the one seen in the photo - incorrectly called 'grey' clay. It is not clay it is component parts that are painted a light bluey/grey colour - you can see the paint on the wood below. If you have watched AA's video of his 'sculpting' the mould and believe it then I have doubts of your sculpting, moulding and casting knowledge. You say people don't understand but I would question your understanding. He has never been brought to task on how he supposedly 'sculpted' the moulds for the armour - although it is now irrelevant as it was proved in court that I had sculpted the armour and he was given the tools - the judge stated that Ainsworth's version of events were 'faintly absurd'. He shows how he pulls on the armour moulds but no video of 'sculpting'. He says he used himself as the dummy - I'd be interested to know how he used his so called sculpting the moulds method for the armour - did he put plasticine on himself back and front and then cover himself in iron filings, glass fibre strands and vemiculite mixture - coat himself in acetone and then let it all go off? He's shown using a scull cap for the base of his faceplate - what did he then use for the armour? It's difficult enough to listen to Ainsworth's rehashed version of events without people spreading his fabrications - and incorrectly. If you look on Facebook The Darkside of SDS aka www.originalstormtrooper.com you will see the truth - it is all verbatum from the judgement and court case. You really need to read it carefully - there was so much to wade through I can understand that you may have misread some of it but the relevant paragraphs are there. He continues to lie on his Facebook page but when the relevant paragraphs from the judgement were posted on there he deleted them. There was no abusive content in those posts just the truth from the judgement cut and pasted. Brian Muir - the original stormtrooper armour sculptor Edited March 30, 2011 by vadersculptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonwalker[501st] Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) Oh my God, Brian Muir Thanks for clarifying this for us ! Edited March 30, 2011 by moonwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueGrot Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) Honored to have you voice the facts of this issue, mr Muir. Edit: Link to the facebook page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=367062635069 Edited March 30, 2011 by BlueGrot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadersculptor Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) Honored to have you voice the facts of this issue, mr Muir. Edit: Link to the facebook page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=367062635069 Thanks for posting the link I can understand that Ainsworth fooled so many people in the past as they had no proof. The court case brought all the information together from the relevant people involved. The judgement was made on all the collated information and what indeed made sense with timings, people's expertise and how the film was run. It is sad that because of the colour clay issue and the fact that Pemberton also lied under oath that credit was given to him for the clay sculpt of the helmet. I had to produce a portfolio of my work and so did Ainsworth, which incidently only showed vacuum forming - here is some of the work he showed There was NO portfolio presented by Pemberton and I knew his work - he was a scenic artist and not a sculptor. Of course with Liz unable to speak for herself, Pemberton was obviously going to claim the professionally clay helmet sculpt ( grey clay) and not the blue/grey painted one. Pemberton's blue/grey Stormtrooper helmet made with canoe helmet and component parts - then painted Liz Moore's prototype C3P0 and Stormtrooper sculpt Edited March 30, 2011 by vadersculptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadersculptor Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) Oh my God, Brian Muir Thanks for clarifying this for us ! You're welcome - I was actually searching on the site for something else and then came across this. I'm very appreciative of the support and respect that you guys have given me and makes all this nonsense worthwhile. It's a great pleasure to be part of this community. Edited March 30, 2011 by vadersculptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIVE[501st] Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 You're welcome - I was actually searching on the site for something else and then came across this. I'm very appreciative of the support and respect that you guys have given me and makes all this nonsense worthwhile. It's a great pleasure to be part of this community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper Q2[TK] Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 IMO. AA is too much money and overrated. There are more affordable Makers here within our group and they look amazing. I like them better than AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixxgunn13 Posted March 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 I totally hate all the AA nut huggers on that page... the believe all the BS he dishes. get this he also posted a top on how to do the black lines (using black pinstripe type tape) on the ears.. and they are thanking him like he created that tip. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper Q2[TK] Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 LOL . I totally hate all the AA nut huggers on that page... the believe all the BS he dishes. get this he also posted a top on how to do the black lines (using black pinstripe type tape) on the ears.. and they are thanking him like he created that tip. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrooperVenger Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Also be aware that not everyone is clued up as some of you lot are. Hell, I could have been an 'AA nut-hugger' if it wasn't for the fact I stumbled upon this website. Not everyone wants to be 501st, some just get costumes for fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixxgunn13 Posted March 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 TV, yes your right.. Just a bit worked up, AA bothers me. I too got in this for fun. Maybe nuthuggers is to harsh. Blind followers is more PC. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john danter Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 IMO. AA is too much money and overrated. Very true but......... Not many sell the kit already all glued up for you and ready to rock Not defending him, just saying. That said I'm sure his kits are overpriced too mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadersculptor Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) They did pull a suit at Elstree but the machine broke down (which is why AA was then roped in) Apparently they sent AA plaster moulds to him with the clear intention of being used as vac form bucks I think this is also in the court case somewhere.....? Oops - comment in post below Edited March 31, 2011 by vadersculptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadersculptor Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) John I know you are very clued up on the case but just need to correct you when you say Ainsworth was given 'plaster moulds' for pulling on. I spent 4 weeks approximately on the suit. I initially sculpted the suit in clay, which was overseen by John Barry and ultimately Lucas. Once approved it was then moulded and cast in plaster and I then sharpened the detail (as with C3P0) and it was then moulded and cast in fibreglass - these were then the tools for vacuum forming. I saw a pile of suits at Elstree that were pulled by Tashy Baines - who operated the vac forming machine. This has been confirmed by several plasterers who were on the production. Although it is difficult to just take my word for it an incident happened last year involving 2 well known members of the UKG and members of this board. I was signing in a shopping centre in Harlow and a plasterer who I had not seen since the ANH production approached Gary and Billy, who were trooping in their Stormtrooper suits. He told them that he remembered seeing the pile of suits that had been pulled at Elstree without being prompted. He was directed over to the area I was signing and had absolutely no knowledge of the whole Ainsworth saga. He had to hurry away but I gave him a book to fill him in on a few facts When all the time and effort and ultimately money had been spent on producing the approved armour it makes no sense to just give Ainsworth 'carte blanche' to produce what he felt the film warranted.Let alone the fact that he doesn't have the skills to do it. He says in his statement and I quote:- Paragraph 141 " The only other materials with which I was provided were some plaster casts on sticks and with Hessian reinforcement which might have been produced from an initial construct of some sort, possibly made in clay, but I never saw any such item. These plaster parts were for the chest, abdomen and forearms. They were of no use whatever in the production of body armour parts by me" He says he was provided with the McQuarrie paintings for reference. It's amazing that he came up with exactly the same design that I had sculpted for the full armour. The back is not seen in the paintings and it was a design that was decided on during the sculpting stage but telepathically he produced the exact same design - it just beggars belief that anyone would believe him. I know my work - sculptors have individual styles and I can tell work that has been done by the small group of sculptors in the film industry back in the day. I had spent 4 weeks doing the detail, it was the first job I did on the film and the Stormtroopers used to walk around the Studios and I would have known if it wasn't the suit I had sculpted. This isn't a rant at you John it's just I thought I'd take the opportunity to add this information while correcting the plaster/fibreglass tool issue - just in case it's not generally known - there's always someone who doesn't know certain parts of the saga. Edited March 31, 2011 by vadersculptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john danter Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) No problem Brian I understand what you're saying. My mistake as I thought he had plaster tools sent. I'm not in AAs side at all, I promise you! We in this geek world have several arguements over AA 1) his suits aren't original from moulds 2) his lids look like they're not either 3) his claims over making moulds from what Elsteee sent him I don't believe him on either of his claims TBH. So don't worry He's full of #*%# on ALL accounts I didn't know Elstree pulled several suits though. I thought just the one or two. The broomstick TK Interesting. So why ask AA to do more? Is it because Elstree's machine broke? Edited March 31, 2011 by john danter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadersculptor Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) No problem Brian I understand what you're saying. My mistake as I thought he had plaster tools sent. I'm not in AAs side at all, I promise you! We in this geek world have several arguements over AA 1) his suits aren't original from moulds 2) his lids look like they're not either 3) his claims over making moulds from what Elsteee sent him I don't believe him on either of his claims TBH. So don't worry I didn't know Elstree pulled several suits though. Interesting. So why ask AA to do more? Is it because Elstree's machine broke? To be honest John I don't see that people have to take sides in all this. If people want Ainsworth's helmets and suits it's up to them and I don't see a disloyalty to me. All I'm trying to do is get the truth out there. He makes fools of people who either knowingly or unwittingly repeat his lies. I was given to understand the machine broke down - Aisworth would have you believe that it was groundbreaking stuff and he was a pioneer where clearly it was already being done in the Studios. He's continually adding and revising his story - this is from his 'discussion' page today :- "The moulds for the armour wee made from a resin amd metal dust substrate with the details planted on. The details were often made from wood, plastic or odds and ends. The vacuum forming process is quite severe on delicately constructed moulds, but as the moulds only had to last for about 50 pulls, it did not matter. Therefor along the way, when detail was disturbed and moved with the hot moulding process, or destroyed and rebuilt, a variation in finished mouldings became a common place.- but it did not matter as the overall soul of the character was always maintained" This is to answer the question posted about the distinct difference to the chest piece from the original to what he produces now. There's a little bit of embellishment from Ainsworth on the armour sculpt now I notice - he says the details were planted on the moulds - then goes on to say the details were made from wood ( well the shoulder straps, belt etc obviously were and I believe these would have been made by the carpenters at the Studios ) and then goes on to say also plastic or odds and ends - really??? He said in court that he could not use fibreglass moulds (tools) to pull on because they would not survive the heat( rubbish!!) so now he's saying that he applied plastic and odds and ends and it was fine because only 50 suits were needed This is the comparison photo that was up for discussion although Ainsworth deleted it from his Facebook page - the ogee of the chest piece was so disturbed that it turned into an arc Edited March 31, 2011 by vadersculptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueGrot Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Your rants are more than welcome, as lies spread around the world fast, even before the truth has had time to put its boots on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadersculptor Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Your rants are more than welcome, as lies spread around the world fast, even before the truth has had time to put its boots on. Brilliant saying - I'll keep that for another day Another 501st member posted an appropriate saying on my Facebook page " Some people live the lie..... until they run into the wrong person" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john danter Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yeah I know Brian Don't get me wrong, I have an SDS hero lid (had it in a cheap kit form years ago) I like my lid TBH (its not 100% accurate as such) and he certainly knows how to vac form. He's just full of #### which is a shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadersculptor Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) Yeah I know Brian Don't get me wrong, I have an SDS hero lid (had it in a cheap kit form years ago) I like my lid TBH (its not 100% accurate as such) and he certainly knows how to vac form. He's just full of #### which is a shame Yes it is a shame - the fact he did vacuum form the helmets and suits for the film should have been enough for him as a selling point(although 'original' is another story). He chose not to stop when he received the 'cease and desist' and spun a web of lies and in the process had to discredit virtually all involved in creating the Stormtrooper to try to claim IP rights. He has his own spin on things and I think he actually enjoys all the controversy. He kids himself he won when although the legal loophole has allowed him to carry on, his lies and reputation have been exposed for all to see - his word is not as important to him as $$$$$$$$$$ We shall see what the Supreme Court decides............ Edited March 31, 2011 by vadersculptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmian Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 I'm so glad Brian's here! I didn't know he had an account at the FISD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadersculptor Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 I'm so glad Brian's here! I didn't know he had an account at the FISD. \ Thanks Damian - yep I've been here since December 2008 - how time flies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daetrin[Admin] Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 It does indeed. Having you here to provide direct, honest, and accurate information is a true blessing for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firebladejedi[TK] Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Hi Brian I was spotting at the Harlow centre event when your were talking to the plasterer - was his name Arthur? I overheard the whole conversation between you two and it was very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turrican Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Brilliant saying - I'll keep that for another day Another 501st member posted an appropriate saying on my Facebook page " Some people live the lie..... until they run into the wrong person" Yep that's so true, add this to my sig. well written words! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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