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Oh! <br> Really? I haven't had that email. I use Photobucket. Guess I must check it out.

Kits and finished helmets are available. I'll put a sales thread up in the sales section or pm me for details. <br><br> Thanks for the support.

Just read through the list of vetted vendors on here and make a decision. Stay away from etsy and Ebay etc. Good luck with your decision.

Wow. What a load of rubbish. The fact they changed their description is enough as it was misrepresented by the original description. they clearly agree or they wouldn't have changed it. Also $200 to ship armour within the US is outrageous. I can ship armour to the US via express fully tracked in 3 days for less than that and I'm shipping from the uk. <br> What a loser. I hope it works out with Amazon. I had someone dick me around on Amazon so long their "return period" had expired so refused a refund l and said good luck. I contacted Amazon and received a refund right away. Lol.

He's basically broken them apart and glued them back with the Hovi Text in the correct place. It's not rocket science

Where did you see these Mark? As far as I know only the tour suits weren't riveted or at least some weren't. And maybe the ESB mkii too.

Paul, I wish I could be at Celebration but unfortunately you may have to buy me a beer another time. :cheers: I'm just glad I got through in the end. Thanks for your support.

I wish I had thought of that one.

Thank you Paul! It has been a long slog. but I am pleased with the outcome and decision to include them within the CRL. I can't express how happy I am. I'm sure my customers will be pleased to hear this too. Thanks. Mark.

I have proved they were there before filming and after filming. So it's down to the powers that be to decide if they were there during filming.

Now it's not accurate Well done mate.

Congrats David!

I don't think they are visible on screen but that's how they were constructed. I've shown proof of before shooting and after of them being there. As I said I find it beyond belief that they were there before and after but not during. They are 4mm of white rivet on white plastic hidden under the helmet for the majority. The 6 foot rule applied back then as there was no HD or Bluray. If you couldn't see it from 6 foot it didn't matter. No matter how the film is remastered it will still only be as high res as the film it was originally filmed on. <br> I'm not sure why this is so hard to believe. <br> I've done all I can to prove this is the correct construction and quite frankly if I can't get it through then I'm not sure what else I can do. <br> I will continue constructing my armour as it should be and give my customers the choice of screen accurate or 501st acceptable.

Why are production photos accepted for the CRL of ANH armour but not for ROTJ? Sorry to hijack but CFO put these photos out into the public domain and they are being used to clarify the ANH CRL. Yet the production pics I'm showing are dismissed because they are not screen shots. I'm referring to this post. http://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/40073-shoulder-straps/#entry535867 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I understand that the 501st isn't about prop replication but I don't understand why we get penalised for replicating them. Surely that should be the highest level. As it stands if an original Stormtrooper walked of the Set of Endor he would be refused entry into the 501st because his costume is too screen accurate. This I find ridiculous. Because the 501st choose idealised over screen accurate. If the 501st refuse to see it on screen or simply can't see it on screen why should it matter in real life. The public really are not going to see it either but it's there and always was. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My responses and examples were only in response to your claims not mine, that's what I meant. But anyway let's move on. It's not really important. I think this just about sums it up and is what I find so frustrating. I've never understood why something that looks so original is a problem for a costume club if it's foundations are based on the very characters we are emulating.

I've never used examples to support my claims. I was responding to the comments put up in this thread to support your claims. I started this thread because I was getting customers having a hard time getting approval because their costumes are too screen accurate.

Thanks Daetrin. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I thought we were talking about Star Wars here and not the real world army? Just because members were in the forces shouldn't mean that the rules of the real world army apply in the Star Wars universe. I think we are diverting here and making excuses for mistakes made in the CRL. Also props of Star Wars were based on WWII and other historic costumes and weapons not modern day uniformity. In historic warfare soldiers pretty much used and wore what they could and many variations appeared. There were certainly similarities in their uniforms but not identical by any means. Just my 2c worth.

Thanks Daetrin I feel like I'm finally getting heard without just been seen as a trouble maker. I cannot stress enough how passionate I am about my costumes and whilst not being a 501st member, I am proud to have my costumes represented within the 501st. I have spent the last 7 years creating what I consider very accurate to what's seen on screen costumes. I have made many changes and improvements over the years and never afraid to accept that I get it wrong sometimes but always willing to update and change things that were not correct. That's all I've asked of the 501st. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hi Deatrin I'd like the CRL higher levels to reflect the original construction as well. I dont see why it's ok to have rivets for basic clearance then if people want to have higher clearance they have to lose them? That means I have to keep replacing trooper shoulder straps at either my or their expense. There should be one white rivet on the front and secured with Velcro at the back for all levels. There should be no flat ends at all on ROTJ even for basic clearance as they are not ROTJ with flat ends. I quote. Shoulder Straps are securely mounted in front and may free float in back. They may be affixed with rivets, Velcro, or adhesive. For level two certification (if applicable): No visible rivets are allowed. Shoulder straps do not have a flat surface at the ends. Straps are ribbed 100%. For level three certification (if applicable): These are affixed in the front (no snaps, rivets or brads are visible). These are affixed in the back (no snaps, rivets or brads are visible). I get why overlaps should be outer over inner for better appearance but this clearly wasn't the case on a lot of troopers on set. I can accept this as a general rule. The TD should be optional on Endor weathered troooers. And holsters should be optional too. If it makes it easier you could have Deathstar clearance and Endor clearance. After all these were on screen and we seem to have stormtroopers and sandtroopers for ANH. Why not for ROTJ? In any case all GMLs and people with the power to pass troopers in all garrisons should have knowledge on the CRLs. I understand CRLs are recipes for idealised costumes but you should not get penalised for being screen accurate. It should be looked at as a bonus. I have had many troopers get turned down for clearance due to rivets on the shoulder straps. I assume they must be going for level 2 or higher but the rest of their costume is at a level 3 quality yet they are being turned down for rivets. That's my main gripe. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Try heavy duty Velcro

What do other ROTJ vendors think? As I and TM are the only two offering it to the 501st we are in agreement. I don't need metadata to tell me that the pics I posted are of armour in preproduction wardrobe and in collections many years after. You are obviously not up for being educated by the the vendors of armour and helmets that supply the 501st and will continue to deny even though solid proof has been supplied by the two vendors who make rotj armour and helmets. Are you really in belief that they put rivets on the armour before filming then removed them for filming the re applied them back after filming because that's what you're saying. It's quite ridiculous when you read back what you are saying here. I will continue to assemble armour how I know it was done originally. I will give customers who want me to assemble armour for them the choice of how it was done originally or how the 501st think it was done. I asked for opinions and thought they would be constructive rather than dismissive and hypothetical.

How do you know this? Again were you there? Have you watched the film? It's apparent on screen too. Really? Have you actually seen any screen used suits? I have shown at least 5 different suits at different times before during and after filming. So I find this statement hard to swallow. This makes mockery of the whole CRL Wtf!