Daetrin

Most people go ANH. You can look at this by seeing the Legion approved costumes by type. ESB is up there, but the vast majority are ANH. Most of it is personal preference, some is cost. It's a second helmet and hand plates, and holster at the least. I ended up getting a second belt too to make it easier to swap. Personally I don't really holster my blaster anyway, so that was never an issue for me. It's really what you want to create. My favs in order were always ANH-Hero, then ESB, then ANH-Stunt, so the vast majority of my troops were ESB for instance.

The LMO team did a great job on this guys. Definitely worth a read even if you think you know what a CRL is supposed to be https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:CRLGuide

Happy to have more people working on CRLs. Thanks for stepping up @Tolo !

As a DL, GML, and former XO at 2 other dets, I agree with your position Dave. This isn't specific to FISD, this is across all Legion costumes. It is not possible to capture every single detail in the CRL and that is not the intent. Even in the CRLs there are some parts where the text essentially says "make it look like the photo". Yes, at times GMLs can be over-zealous, but the path forward then for the applicant is clear too: 1. They can provide photos on the relevant detachment board asking for other input. That input still cannot override the GML decision, but usually an agreement is reached. 2. The GML can post a concern to the GML only area of the 501st boards. Again, they get recommendations but aren't bound by it. 3. In the extreme circumstance where a GML and applicant just can't find common ground, an applicant can always appeal to LMO review.

Gotchit. Then absolutely a GML can deny if the color isn't a match/close match. I would, and even self-policed my own kit to ensure it looked right.

I haven't seen this combo on one suit in person, so can't say. Anyone got pix?

Ouch, this may be a sticky wicket, eh? ;p The hard part is when we say "color match" is that everyone sees color slightly differently, and much can depend on lighting. It's a grey area and if there is a disagreement, the more eyes the easier it is to get a consensus. For example I wore my TE2 armor with RT shins for a long time. The color was off enough that I painted the shins to match the armor (since TE2 is HIPS and needs to be painted anyway). Wait, what do I mean by off? Well, in person they looked just fine, but in photos it was clear that they were not the same. Since we get photographed a lot, I wanted them to look right so painted to match. I also had an ATA with RT shins. In person standing 5' away it was clear they weren't quite perfect, but not that bad. From > 5' away or in photos, no one could tell so I just left them alone. So...I'd say it's worth expressing how bad the issue is. Can you tell in photos? Can you tell from a distance? If so, it's best to get them to match. The CRL doesn't specifically call this out, but CRLs can't and aren't intended to call out every exact detail, and this is why we have GMLs to evaluate the application based on the criteria. If you are looking for mediation, it's best if you two show some photos and list reasons why you think it is, or is not, acceptable. Else we're all just guessing.

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You can also use the FISD Pre-approval program to post your progress and also clue in your GML. That way there is everyone looking at the same thing. Most GMLs should be fine, as the reality is that for L1 you can use Velcro if you wish. As noted, they can't take anything away from you. After you get your L1, you can then do any modification to get to L2/L3 later if you want. One caution when you swap from Velcro to gluing that I found out the hard way and ruined a pair of thighs: when you use Velcro, there is thickness in the hook & pile strips, plus then tend to give as you put stress. Thus, if you simply remove the Velcro and glue them shut, you'll find that you've now narrowed the circumference. In my case, that small difference meant I could no longer bend my legs. So if you remove the Velcro, do put the part and on flex things out to ensure there is enough room. Using painters tape or some other temporary/removable tape to test fit after removing the Velcro could save you a lot of pain. And potentially $$.

Perfect.

To be clear, when we say support the overlap method, we mean only for those kits where the cover strip is molded in to the part. Overlap would not be acceptable for kits like ATA, etc. where they are shipped separately. I'd be OK allowing overlap even at L3, as that is how the renders look actually, *if* it's part of the mold. Sound OK?

I think @Sly11 and @ukswrath should chime in before we make that call.

I haven't checked all the references. In *theory* it would be the Phase III, TKC, ICN for sure, so likely the Shocktrooper too.

Hey Randy - thanks for all the leg work. Since this is pretty much the same as the ICN, I presume we should make the same changes to that one as well?

Actually this section may get hot. If you think about it, this and the Phase III TK are super easy these days to do, especially if you are an ROTJ and just want to swap out a few parts. About as easy as it can get for someone who wants to live forever by pioneering a CRL and being the first model.

Sweeeeet! Thanks for posting Brian!

Please!

As March is over so am locking. The April thread is here:

OK, I'm trying to centralize CRL change requests, as I'm aiming to update some items this month. There have been a lot so I'm sure I'm missing some. This will be the one place to suggest and discuss CRL changes that I'll process in April. After that the goal is to leave them alone for a bit. Legacy Era * Boots - make it simpler for L1 approval History: March's thread is here:

So here is what people are seeing. Please READ and follow the instructions if you see this issue: Problem: You go to a topic and create a reply. You click "Submit Reply", but nothing seems to happen. Reason: the server is just running a little slow. Normally it takes a second before it "posts" your reply, but with so much load on the server it is just taking a bit. What to do: Wait. It may take 5-10 seconds to fully commit, but please just let it do it's job. What to do if that doesn't work: if after 30 seconds (clock seconds, not perceived "seconds") it's still not working, or times out, you can try using Tapatalk if you are on mobile. You can also email the admins as it may be that we are just spiking the sever. Why? Because traffic on FISD continues to grow, and like a crab we are outgrowing our "shell". Yes, we will move to the Legion servers later this year, but you may notice that FISD (and also IOC which is on the same server) are slow at certain peak times of the day.

FISD went down yesterday (along with IOC) and the admins did a repair of the database to get us back up. Many people are reporting that they cannot post via the web, but they can via Tapatalk. @Locitus and @Darth Aloha are on it and are troubleshooting. We tried clearing the cache and running diagnostics, but so far no smoking gun. Our apologies while this is ongoing.

PM @harbinger - he and @ripper_l have been doing a lot lately.

Hard to spot/build items should always start at L3. We have so few R1s as it is, so don't want to discourage any new troopers with overly stringent requirements at L1.

No worries - I see where you are going. I put the silk/satin in L2 for consistency, since that is how it's called out in the hand plates. Could it move from L2 to L3? Yup, I'd have no issues with this to relax it if the DO's agree too.

Is there any reason for the ESB gloves to be L3 when the hand plates are L2? BTW, I updated the gloves to allow for silk gloves for ESB.