Thermal Detonator? so Confused

[FN-3181]

Yea the stormtroopers as seen on TV are very specific, and its not arrogance but dedication that leads the 501st to set large amounts of standards. Also yes troopers aren't always the same and often the 501st obliges by adding that specific costume with its own rules to to crl. Like my personal favorite is the TKC which is a non-movie suit and honestly im thankful that the crl has such strict rules to help make sure my suit will be as accurate as possible.

 

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[FN-3181]

But we digress lol is there a suit where the rotj TD is a cannon part?

 

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[GandalfTheImperial]

It's all context. If this was a military history forum discussing WWI infantry tactics, the term would mean something different. 

 

This forum is about recreating props and costumes of the Imperial Stormtroopers as shown in the Star Wars films (mostly). Each of us sees a variation on the theme based on film preference but in this context and on this forum, the word "stormtrooper" really does mean something very specific. 

 

It's cool that you have a broader interpretation and being a sci-fi  fan and builder of random things, I appreciate that. There are plenty of forums, like RPF, where those ideas would probably be better received. Jus' sayin'.

 

Yea the stormtroopers as seen on TV are very specific, and its not arrogance but dedication that leads the 501st to set large amounts of standards. Also yes troopers aren't always the same and often the 501st obliges by adding that specific costume with its own rules to to crl. Like my personal favorite is the TKC which is a non-movie suit and honestly im thankful that the crl has such strict rules to help make sure my suit will be as accurate as possible.

 

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Ah, yes, I understand where you're coming from, I'm a accuracy freak myself, i was just discussing why i think it's wrong to be overly "Accuracy-Devoted" to start to attack those who just want to make themselves a custom trooper.

 

I mean, I've seen people love death troopers and get attacked "It's ugly and not canon" etc.

 

People have preferences. That's all I'm saying.

Edited June 6, 2016 by GandalfTheImperial

[FN-3181]

Totally your right and to alot of peoplethe sheer amount of qualifications deters people from the 501st but despite the downsides the 501st wouldnt be what it is today without the rules.

 

And i havnt seen the death trooper yet im terrified of spoilers

 

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[T K[501st]]

But we digress lol is there a suit where the rotj TD is a cannon part?

 

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Are you asking if the canister on the back of a RotJ suit is cannon as a TD?

 

There are NO instances where these canisters are used as TDs in the movie, or any movie. Maybe in noncannon video games?

 

 The only cannon video game that has the RotJ suit used is the new Battlefront and in that game the Stormtroopers use TDs similar to the one Leia had in Jabba's Palace, not the canisters on their belts.

 

All I know is that most the stuff you see in the movies didn't have any or much meaning before hand other than it looks good on film. Afterwards, fans have tried to come up with meaning of the unexplained. Not much lore, just cool props.

[FN-3181]

No i mean the shiny round one leia used in rotj. Do any suits use that as an official prop?

 

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[T K[501st]]

Not other than in Battlefront.

[GandalfTheImperial]

Are you asking if the canister on the back of a RotJ suit is cannon as a TD?

 

There are NO instances where these canisters are used as TDs in the movie, or any movie. Maybe in noncannon video games?

 

 The only cannon video game that has the RotJ suit used is the new Battlefront and in that game the Stormtroopers use TDs similar to the one Leia had in Jabba's Palace, not the canisters on their belts.

 

All I know is that most the stuff you see in the movies didn't have any or much meaning before hand other than it looks good on film. Afterwards, fans have tried to come up with meaning of the unexplained. Not much lore, just cool props.

ROTJ armors was used as sandtroopers, ever watched ANH special edition?

[T K[501st]]

Of course. What does that have to do with this?

 

All that was is that George wanted more shots with the Sandtroopers looking around for the droids some more. 

Edited June 6, 2016 by T K

[jkno]

I'm not part of the 501st per say, I was just stating stormtroopers was a name, a title, and shouldn't relate to a specific armor, since stormtroopers (merchandise etc.) are in no-way directly lined to that of the movie look.

 

Thinking stormtroopers as of something only seen in movies, is "arrogant" and if close the hypocritical, since again, Ralph Mcquirre first visualized it. as most of the people on here don't even have the right to say whats a stormtrooper and what's not.

 

What I'm saying is, i don't think stormy's should go by the 501st's definition and preferred look.

 

Stormtroopers are a title/name. They don't have to be canon-looking, to be a stormtrooper

 

 

Let's put it this way, from my own point of view as a dedicated prop collector. What appeared on screen (no matter if we're talking about lights, paint, warps/dents etc. or lack of those) is what I'm interested in getting. Personally I don't care about any games, comics, prints, posters, or any kind of artistic interpretations outside the 3 OT movies themselves when talking about my props. Any time a figure, statue, and especially a 1:1 armor/helmet lacks accuracy I'm totally aware of it. There are collectibles that have no accuracy at all, and some which are quite accurate. That doesn't mean I don't collect less accurate stuff. But when talking about 1:1 armor and helmet I want to be as accurate as possible with the warts and asymmetry there.

 

The thing with 501st is that they strive for accurate stuff, not 100%, but still more than allowing a round silver thermal detonator with lights to be added on a regular Stormtrooper armor. That's why 501st have their rules, which you need to obey if wanting to join their ranks. Outside 501st, no one says you cannot make a pink tutu Stormtrooper with swan wings on its back and with elephant ears instead of the regular Stormtrooper ears. But you will not be able to join 501st with that, no matter how many prizes your artwork will receive, unless you get in a parallel universe where pink tutus are a must for Stormtroopers.  

 

[TK bondservnt[501st]]

Actually the special edition used shots done far after the original film.  In the original film the suits were all designed by brian muir and liz moore.  The first 6 suits pulled were created

at elstree studios, under the guidance of brian muir, and Tashy Bains was the person forming the plastic.

 

Those 6 suits were then set up as Sand Troopers,  Taken to tunisia, and filmed.  They were then cleaned up and used on the death star scenes with the suits pulled by Ainsworth.

 

During the special edition There was a lot of re-shooting and litte add in's.

 

Overall Star Wars, the original trilogy, the video games, and the newest variations allow for a lot of different looks, and paint styles.

The FISD certainly has a lot of cool choices.

[FN-3181]

Poor derailing thread.....lol what about the bouush (not sure how to spell) costume? Since leia is wearing that when the shiny round TD is revealed wouldn't the 501st allow a TD (round shiny) for certification?

 

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[GandalfTheImperial]

Let's put it this way, from my own point of view as a dedicated prop collector. What appeared on screen (no matter if we're talking about lights, paint, warps/dents etc. or lack of those) is what I'm interested in getting. Personally I don't care about any games, comics, prints, posters, or any kind of artistic interpretations outside the 3 OT movies themselves when talking about my props. Any time a figure, statue, and especially a 1:1 armor/helmet lacks accuracy I'm totally aware of it. There are collectibles that have no accuracy at all, and some which are quite accurate. That doesn't mean I don't collect less accurate stuff. But when talking about 1:1 armor and helmet I want to be as accurate as possible with the warts and asymmetry there.

 

The thing with 501st is that they strive for accurate stuff, not 100%, but still more than allowing a round silver thermal detonator with lights to be added on a regular Stormtrooper armor. That's why 501st have their rules, which you need to obey if wanting to join their ranks. Outside 501st, no one says you cannot make a pink tutu Stormtrooper with swan wings on its back and with elephant ears instead of the regular Stormtrooper ears. But you will not be able to join 501st with that, no matter how many prizes your artwork will receive, unless you get in a parallel universe where pink tutus are a must for Stormtroopers.  

 

That's why i said I'm not part of the 501st. I'm not that overly keen on praising a single costume.

 

When people talk about 501st to me i usually look away, because again, I'm not that interested into a devoted group.

 

I'm just a guy with a preference.

[GandalfTheImperial]

Poor derailing thread.....lol what about the bouush (not sure how to spell) costume? Since leia is wearing that when the shiny round TD is revealed wouldn't the 501st allow a TD (round shiny) for certification?

 

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The OG's had shiny sandtroopers. What's shiny round? lol

 

 

 

Unless you're talking about spanking clean?

 

*Edit* Didn't realize you were talking about Thermal Detonators... Lol...

 

Goddamn 501st and their acronyms

 

 

And No, it would probably be under Non-Canon CRL's  etc.

Edited June 6, 2016 by GandalfTheImperial

[GandalfTheImperial]

Actually the special edition used shots done far after the original film.  In the original film the suits were all designed by brian muir and liz moore.  The first 6 suits pulled were created

at elstree studios, under the guidance of brian muir, and Tashy Bains was the person forming the plastic.

 

Those 6 suits were then set up as Sand Troopers,  Taken to tunisia, and filmed.  They were then cleaned up and used on the death star scenes with the suits pulled by Ainsworth.

 

During the special edition There was a lot of re-shooting and litte add in's.

 

Overall Star Wars, the original trilogy, the video games, and the newest variations allow for a lot of different looks, and paint styles.

The FISD certainly has a lot of cool choices.

That's why i said there were ROTJ's stormy's made into sandy's in the SE...

 

Edited June 6, 2016 by GandalfTheImperial

[T K[501st]]

That's why i said I'm not part of the 501st. I'm not that overly keen on praising a single costume.

 

When people talk about 501st to me i usually look away, because again, I'm not that interested into a devoted group.

 

I'm just a guy with a preference.

Yeah, kinda hard when you are on a 501st forum.

[FN-3181]

All is fine guys back to thermal detonators. Is there a thread somewhere to build the round shiny TD?

 

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[T K[501st]]

Hmm... Not here that I know of.

 

But take a look at this thread on the RPF. He is willing to sell kits for you to build I think.

 

http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=261734

[kman[TK]]

Gandalf - Whereas I enjoy a good pot stir as much as the next guy, I think Lichtbringer nailed it. 

 

The 501st is about replicating a specific thing, other things are not that thing. We play here because we want to recreate and discuss that thing. One can cosplay any unorthodox variation they want in many situations but continuity and symmetry is what makes the Legion what it is and what makes it attractive to most of us.

The military is all about regulations and standards. The Empire, though fictional, portrays a vast professional military with extremely high standards and unforgiving leadership. It stands to reason that even though it's fictional, the uniform standards would be very rigid. Having a non-standard weapon or some random bling on their armor would be considered "out of uniform" shall we say. 

 

Now, just to play devil's advocate... could there be specialized, elite Imperial units who are allowed to use non-standard weapons, off-world thermal detonators and wear whatever they need to accomplish the mission? Probably. They wouldn't be canon at this point, but it's certainly intriguing and possible and the a few strokes of a writers keyboard could make it so.

Just wait until Rogue One hits the screens. TONS of new "canon" variants. All just a couple months before the OT, yet seen nowhere in the OT. *sigh* I'm both excited and highly annoyed at the same time.

 

No i mean the shiny round one leia used in rotj. Do any suits use that as an official prop?

Poor derailing thread.....lol what about the bouush (not sure how to spell) costume? Since leia is wearing that when the shiny round TD is revealed wouldn't the 501st allow a TD (round shiny) for certification?

Here's my take:

 

Thermal Detonators are probably made all over the [star Wars] galaxy by various manufacturers. It's clear civilians have all manner of serious weaponry in this universe, so it's kind of crazy to think that anything that's not highly specialized (and brand new tech) would be made in only one way by only one manufacturer, in the entire galaxy.

 

On the other hand, the Empire's troops are clearly military and held to strict standards of conformance, so any of THEIR thermal detonators would likely all be made to the same Imperial specifications. In the real-world military, you'd need all sort of special permissions to carry a non-standard weapon.

 

So I see no issue with Stormy TDs looking one way, and one carried in from who-knows-where by a third party (non-Imperial issue) would both be TDs, but not look identical.

 

So there.

Edited June 6, 2016 by kman

[FN-3181]

It seems like it would be fairly easy to 3d print like 4 parts plus the electeonics

 

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[FN-3181]

Wow i made that post BEFORE i read your thread lol.

 

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[TK bondservnt[501st]]

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[Addertime[TK]]

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That's kinda fun.

[TK bondservnt[501st]]

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