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This has been pointed out to me on another thread I started about inconsistencies in the CRL. <br><br> Rivets in the Shoulder Straps<br><br> For basic 501st approval the CRL clearly states that the shoulder straps may be riveted. If someone was denied by their GML, then their GML has not read the CRL. However if the person is applying for Expert Infantry the CRL is wrong but this will not stop someone from getting a costume approved.

That's not correct Mark. They did rivet the shoulder straps on ROTJ armour. I have photos to prove it from the costume dept. ANH is a different story.

I rivet them on as they should be and as they were done for production. They are white rivets on white straps attached to white armour and are only 4mm wide. It's hardly surprising you cannot see them on screen. If they were 4 inches you'd still have problems seeing them on screen.... LOL Most straps are hidden by the helmets sitting over them. It was filmed on film, not a digital HD, 4K bluray etc so the chances are that they had the 6 foot rule whilst filming back then which says if you cannot see it from 6 foot away don't worry about it......

Yep. Run Forest run. That's a recast of my armour and helmet. Some parts like the shins are cast from someone else's armour. <br> Maker of things is one to be avoided. <br> The only suit that was cast from is one I made. Not cast from an original but casted from Cast from original.

Thanks Tim. I'll pass anyone that's having a problem your way. Just for the record I never said there was an army against me? I also never mentioned your name or said that you told me that I had to join. It was not you. Cheers.

Hi Eric, The only reason I say" they" and "they" is that I didn't want to name any particular person or Garrison openly in public. My post was merely highlighting the problems my customers are having when trying to get clearance. I assemble my armour screen accurately and how it was done originally. This is a problem with people getting clearance. I'll just have to give people the option of screen accurate or 501st acceptable. From what you are saying there is no problem with screen accurate and it's down to GMls not really knowing what they are looking at. I will just point anyone that's having problems to this thread and your post which clearly highlights that it is not the CRL that's wrong. Thanks for clearing this up Eric. You are the first person that's done that.

I would love to but they are stubborn as hell. I posted this on the UKG forum some time back and was told I was not qualified to comment.

Why for basic clearance is a cover strip allowed? They do NOT have cover strips. You allow this but not a rivet? Unfortunately nothing has changed and my customers are getting the brunt of it. LOL, I guess so...... If this is the case why can't the trooping trooper not have one? they could have used theirs?? LOL IYHO the overlap is not important. BUT it seems to be with most GMLs..... GMLs are not supposed interpret a CRL they are supposed to follow it. How can you argue consistency if every GML is allowed to interpret the CRL? That's the argument I get. "We have to have a CRL that reflects consistency not screen accuracy" But it seems only if it suits the GML in charge? Yes, a modified ANH suit is not ROTJ and visa versa.

One of my customers was pulled up on no detonator and no holster and overlaps the wrong way. Not sure why higher clearance says you "must" have outer over inner when they clearly had them either way on set. What?, higher clearance than an original screen worn suit? LOL But yes, it could have been yet another over zealous uneducated GML......

Quoted from the CRL..... "The AM greaves (shins) shall be on the proper legs, with a new cover strip. The cover strip edge faces the inside of the leg. Note: There is a manufacturer defect with the AM greaves (shins) that may cause you to wear the them improperly. Please see the Tutorial titled :"AM armor shins: the proper way to assemble and wear", on the whitearmor.net" I am not sure why AM is mentioned as AM is not ROTJ? Also it seems that you are allowed a sterling E11 that is not based upon the MGC to pass but a rivet on the shoulder strap is not allowed? As I said total madness..... I am more than happy to sit down and go through the CRL with all GMLs who have little understanding of the ROTJ armour and it's construction and get this done right.

Hi guys, I am getting more and more frustrated at the CRL for ROTJ. I make and sell ROTJ armour cast from an original suit. Now, when I assemble the armour for customers I assemble it how it should be done and screen accurate right down to rivets original Newey poppers. I have spent countless hours researching how the original armour is supposed to be put together, what hardware was used, what materials were used. It took me 5 years to find a suitably accurate polypro belt to offer with my armour. I make from scratch everything. I vacuum form my armour, make Bubble lenses, I cast paint and assemble ANH and ROTJ mic tips, strapping and my own exclusive CFO decals. Yet I am getting an increasing amount of customers getting refused 501st clearance because....... " they have the shoulder straps riveted on, they should be glued..... "you don't have a detonator"........" You need a holster"....... "Your legs and arms don't have the correct overlaps" etc, etc,......... What should I do? I have presented solid proof to the 501st...... I have sent many photo's proving the shoulder straps were riveted on, I have sent photos of troopers on endor without Detonators or holsters..... Not just 1 or 2, a lot... and proof that the armour was assembled with overlaps anywhich way. But I get shot down by the top brass for causing trouble? REALLY?......NO, it's just that they cannot admit they are wrong.... I am then told that if I want change then I have to join the 501st to be heard and get people to listen......????? Are the 501st that short sighted and pretentious that you won't listen to fact unless I am in your "club"? because that's how it looks to me. This is what I do. I have dedicated my life to bringing Troopers the best most accurate armour and helmets all cast from originals. How much proof do you need? If you cannot see it, then why does it matter because I guarantee the public won't notice a white rivet on a white shoulder strap connected to white armour.... But it's enough for you to turn down a screen accurate stormtrooper costume? Surely the smiles on childrens faces is more important than the ego of the GML? Admit you are wrong....... Here is some photographic proof of how the armour was assembled for the very troopers you are emulating. Baring in mind that most of these original ROTJ stormtroopers will not get into the 501st based on their inaccurate costumes. Both myself and Paul aka TM ( sorry to drag you in bud) have sent pictures of screen caps and exhibition armour and helmets to the decision makers but they still will not budge. WHY???? I am the first to admit fault and I am quick to adapt and change things to reflect this. As soon as you know it all you may as well give up.......Why can't the 501st? I am not starting this thread as a flame war or just to start trouble but as it affects me and my customers directly it has to be bought up. A civil discussion is what I am trying to have here. I have asked to present pics of more than one suit so here they are......... here are some pics of "REAL" armour. Proof of rivets....... A different suit with rivets...... Oh, another different suit with rivets Costume department using rivets...... A nice pic of ROTJ TK's without holsters. ROTJ TK's on Endor without Detonators or holsters...... Rather grainy but overlaps the "wrong way" Thigh armour inner over outer........."Wrong" Arms inner over outer........ Rivets on shoulder straps. More overlaps the "wrong way".... Original drawings of how the armour was to be assembled with notes on the rivets on the shoulder straps. Do I have to give my customers a choice of a screen accurate ROTJ assembled armour and helmet or a not quite screen accurate costume that is accepted by the 501st? This goes against everything I am about but I am being forced in this direction. What's more frustrating is that the only two armourers that supply the 501st with screen accurate ROTJ armour are the ones being criticised and told that they are assembling the armour wrong! WE NEED CHANGE............ All comments welcome.

Looks great Greg. Nicely done.

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And I paint the rear bump and the second in from the front.

I always thought that ROTJ had two stripes and some of the ESB MKII had three. I haven't seen ROTJ with three? I could be wrong. I'll have a look through my reference pics. <br> The grey is Humbrol #5 and the black is Humbrol gloss black #21

It's personal preference. Same goes for ESB MKII. Some had teeth cut quite large, some small and some not at all!<br><br> Same with the armour. If you look on the real suits some had overlaps inner over outer and some had outer over inner. Some troopers had detonators a lot didn't. Some had holsters again some didn't. Lots of different variations seen on screen. Shoulder Straps were riveted on but with the grainy film and blurred screen caps it's hard to see. Unfortunately the CRL on ROTJ does not reflect this.

I just wanted to point out that contrary to what Paul told you some helmets had the teeth cut out quite large. Again no real rules with ROTJ.....

This is not a ROTJ suit.... It's ESB MKII.