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Fine drill bit (bout the same, tiny bit bigger, than the rivet stem) and drill right through. It'll pop right off.

@ Karin - Glad you're liking it! Thanks for the kind words and the 40mm A4 tube templates will be up soon @ Mark - no apology needed sir. We all saw what you've been up to in your b'day thread - and I've heard rumblings of an ewok uprising so your work does the empire a much needed service OK folks so here it is - the big kahuna - the folding stock template. Complete as one peice the way it was supposed to be: Now this one is the most tenuous of all as far the Lucas measuring system goes - I will definitely need double checking on this one. This is especially important since if we can lock it down right we should be able to make a template for a functional folding stock Which reminds me - can we post the OD of the tube inside the stock? Christians fantastic photos should do the rest, provided we can confirm or correct the measurements as listed here. Once this is done we will have a full exterior Sterling SMG template (I've done the rear sight I just haven't posted it, and I've almost finished the mag and mag housing). Then I can get to work on the insides... Here's the full scale PDF of the stock for those who want a closer examination or to do any edits (still an editable PDF) FoldingStockFull.pdf

Thanks so much Christian! That's a pretty crucial detail - I can't believe I missed it. I've added it to the tmplates, but I'm going to hold off on posting another change until Mark checks the other measurements - then I can go ahead and post confirmed accurate templates for 38mm and 40mm. Meanwhile can you help me out? I'm building the folding stock templates using your great pics and the other two threads with images of the stock. Would you call this measurement across the stock 15mm?: That's my eyeballed guess but I'd rather get a more accurate idea...

OK time for more questions as I go! Mark or Christian - we've clocked the diameter of the inner bolt at 33mm and the OD of the pipe at 38.1mm. Assuming the 'strips' on the side of the inner bolt are about 1mm thick does this mean the tube h a wall thickness of about 1.5mm?

Well guys, in the spirit of updating as I go here is the new template for the muzzle. I was quite surprised actually at how wrong the existing muzzle templates were. At first glance they seem to measure up, but closer inspection reveals otherwise. Mostly they were only off by a few mm - but hey this IS the best stirling templates ever project so we best correct it! The biggest thing is that no templates available include the dip here to accommodate the hex bolt that appears on a real stirling muzzle. So without further ado here are the accurate muzzle templates: And here's a question for everybody: If I take the muzzle dimensions and scale them up for a 40mm OD pipe I can do two things. If I scale the muzzle base up and leave the rest of the dimensions accurate it will look like this: If I scale the whole kit and caboodle to keep the dimensions relative, it will look like this: Which would 40mm pipe builders prefer? Back with more soon... and don't forget to chime in if you know something I don't!

I wished you a happy birthday over in the templates thread earlier if it helps! Now that the FISD is at almost 4000 members we've been discussing writing a hook to automate birthday messages, but haven't quite got there yet. No one has quite had the time as yet to do the old school 'and that's an order' style birthday messages manually every day yet. Believe me - I'm sure everybody wishes the man behind CFO a happy birthday!

Believe it or not that really is a Don Post helmet. He did some (slightly) better ones in the 90's with the release of the Sharper Image Stormtrooper statues but that's his original TK. I don't why he did them in rubber, but the same moulds were used I believe by Rubies for their rubber haloween trooper helmets. His Vader was in a nice shiny plastic (I've actually got one of those too, purchased at StarTours circa 1989/90) and it's not bad but boy is it small! Dave - if you're looking for info and history without getting headlong into then hobby side (I assume you're looking to turn this into something for BMX?) the check out www.StarWarsHelmets.com - they've even got the low down on Don Post!

Happy birthday sir! Hope it was awesome

OK - updated receiver tube template. I've corrected the 1/2 inch holes at the front that Christian cogently pointed out and placed the grip assembly using his measurements. I would still like some confirmations however before I go and lock down these plans onto printable A4's as well. With these dimensions I get a full receiver length INCLUDING the lug but EXCLUDING any part of the muzzle (even the sort of domed base of the muzzle) of 456.643 mm. Does this measure up Mark? Also I'm basing my stock mount, and therefor my trigger, on measurements taken from Sterling diagrams that I scaled to measurements I already know, so I may be a bit off. Can we confirm the lug to rear stock mount measurement? Again here's a preview image for those who just want a quick look with the full PDF attached below: Tube38mm.pdf

This is great! I love how every submission to this topic just keeps raising the bar.

Karin - I will indeed make A4 templates in both sizes. We all use A4 except for our US brethren who will need US Letter. Christian - Good spot. As to the grip I was hesitant to place it with no measurements. I know it butts up against the rear stock mount but some proper measurements would be great!

Yes indeed Vern - Mark included both measurements and they've been taken in to account. So... the moment we've all been waiting for - the first draft of the adjusted 38.1mm receiver tube template. These are the changes I've made based on measurements supplied by Mark, other topics here on FISD and net research: Correctly and evenly spaced vent holes Corrected rear sight size for placement guide Corrected stock clip size and placement Corrected Cocking Slot Length Corrected Ejector Port Length Corrected Ejector Port Placement Corrected Folding Stock Rear Mount placement and size Corrected Mag housing placement guide size and placement Corrected Front sight size and placement This is a preview jpg of the result: In the interest of better work I've also attached the PDF file at the bottom of this post so people can download it and double check stuff. I've saved it as a PDF so it's readable by all and maintains it's proper scale, but I've saved with "Preserve Illustrator Editing Capabilities" intact, effectively making it an 'open source' file that anyone can edit or correct if needed. If you do edit it though be sure to post it back here for all our benefit and detail your changes! Next up I will post the version for a 40mm tube after adjustments. PDF: Tube38mm.pdf

Hit the little switch in the top left corner: That will give you code view if you want to copy and paste or alter any code you are editing or quoting.

Excellent - I know this is a tiny change but with a few tweaks it will make all the difference. Getting there now - getting there.

OK Team - so this is the issue I'm having I was talking about last night. I am looking at the tube template (the whole reason we started this malarchy in the first place) and I need to clarify some measurements. These measurements have been covered in this thread by Sonnenschein here: http://whitearmor.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=15773 However there is something off about these measurements and they don't add up. Here is a quick demo of the measurements I'm talking about, I've made each one a different color so they're easier to differentiate. According to the afore mentioned post the measurements are as follows: A - The distance between the end of cocking slot and the end cap: 8.75mm B - The length of the cocking slot: 163mm C - The distance to the furthest point of the ejector port back to end cap: 183mm D- The distance from the closest point of the ejector port back to end cap: 171mm E- I've added this one in hopes I can check the template accuracy just using the total length between furthest dots and letting the computer do the rest. The distance between the end of the cocking slot and the end cap, and the length of the cocking slot seem to add up just fine. It's C and D that are causig me problems. They push the ejector port way too far forward, so that the closest point at the ejector port back is still a good centimetre or more away from the cocking slot, not just underneath it like it should be. So in short could we check or correct these distance? It wouldn't take long at all to do the tube templates if I had this. (Info on exact grip placement might come in handy too....) Sheesh - I never thought I'd use the phrase "cocking slot" so many times in one go....

Dude - you've been massively helpful you've posted so many helpful pics it's amazing. We all owe you thanks, but fear not I'll still come knocking with more questions

Thanks Mark - you're unstoppable! Trigger set up and those damn blowback shields: (Now I know why they're not included in any of the usual templates)

OK Further updates, further information requests. I spent forever trying to get the blowback shield curves right with a template that will both curve in the crescent shape while also wrapping around the diameter of the pipe. After many hours and some very patient and valuable help from my wife (she drafts patterns for a living) I do believe I've finally succeeded. I'll post the results tomorrow, as I'm posting this from bed and I'm half asleep, but a few questions have arisen meanwhile. Looking at this image again: The total length of the bolt appears to be 140mm. However using your 123mm x 7mm measurements for the side strips Mark, I cannot for the life of me get the strips to run the length of the bolt (as they do in the pic) at ANY angle. Am I reading Christians photo wrong? Actually I'll leave the other questions til tomorrow... They really require drawings....

OK Troopers! We have some more progress to post on the templates under development. These are templates and blue prints for the front sight and the selector switch. Obviously they won't appear on the same page in th efinal but we're previewing, checking and correcting here. I've made up templates for both 38mm and 40mm OD pipe as per Mason's suggestion, but the measured blueprints are only for the accurate Sterling. I think it wise to continue in this way. There are also two variations on the selector switch abse - the easy to make (say using dowel) and the accurate 'domed' top version. This will allow people the ultimate combination of information and choice. This too I will continue if any other bits look like there would be an 'accurate' way and an 'easy' way for building. Remember - those who can be sure to correct a measurement with an accurate number if I'm off anywhere. And for those wondering where are the templates for all the bits measured and photographed so far in the thread - as always there on their way!

Christian, can you take a measurement of the width and length of the strips that wrap around the bolt?

Aaaaand yet another project to add to my list! Thanks for posting these Mason - bookmarked!

I can't quite tell: is the selector switch shaped like A or B? Also is the little disc it's mounted on domed or flat?

Just ask me anything you need

To get those curved lines I use illustrator. There really isn't a reliable way to do it in photoshop although there is a pen tool. Do you have illustrator as well as photoshop? If you don't have illustrator grab 'Inkscape' the open source, free version of illustrator here: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/18954/inkscape If needed I'll teach you exactly how to do it and how to get curved text