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So the helmet is required, will Jes be made a separate CRL then? Because we are seeing many femtroopers going around with no bucket, including one that got some folks upset on social media because she was at an official LFL event with no helmet, wearing sunglasses, and looking nothing like Jes. All other face characters in legion require a person to attempt to look like said character (wigs, makeup, coloring, etc), so it's odd to be seeing so many random femtroopers walking around with no helmet and not attempting to look like Jes at all. Us regular TK's can't walk around with out a bucket for the heck of it, especially at an official event. And all these ones that were approved before this CRL, were they given ok without helmets? Cause that is quite odd for a face character

The price nearly doubles after May the 4th and more after that. Even if it's not great, you are almost guaranteed to be able to flip it and get your money back and probably more. Even junk like Rubies and EFX buckets still sell for a decent chunk of change to the general public. This is a great price, if it turns out well, then major score, otherwise, it should be a quick and easy way to get rid of it or profit even from the deal. They have put out a bunch of Trek stuff which for the most part has gotten positive reviews.

That looks right, saw TK style indented backplate in other picture so that confused me. Don't see much issue with that backplate then unless they are claiming it's got too much detail? As in the comics we only see basic shapes? "This is NOT JOKER SQUAD armor... it is JES GISTANG amor. The mens' armor would be entirely different." Again, this makes no sense. Jes is a member of Joker Squad and armor seems to be identical in the comics and even in the action figure Joker squad pack, the armor was identical amongst all members. Only in the GG statue, were changes made to make Jes different. Even the panels you quoted show inconsistency in the characters armor and it's the same artist. In the later scenes you can't tell her apart from the other Joker's, the armor has same male dimensions and doesn't even have the thinner female ab section. That's some major conflicting info. As I mentioned before, a GML would probably be better a clarifying what is done in such a situation with ambigious and conflicting data. Books are supposed to be what is used as source material, not toys or statues. But we got conflicting data in books it raises eyebrows. Jes somehow was issues special armor no other member in her squad wore.... because a statue said so?

The backplate is seen in quite a few shots in the comic book. It is typically always clone styled and not the TK style KW used. Clearest image of it is in Issue # 0, the first book of the comic. The Legacy Sourcebook by WOTC also shows the Clone Style back plate. The backplate in the comics and the sourcebook for the RPG is consistent mostly on this unlike the ever changing bucket which can change from panel to panel in the legacy comic by even the same author. The action figure for Joker squad and GG statue based the backplate details on standard TK details instead of following the books. Probably the cleanest of shots is this one of the style used throughout the entire series:

Yea I've never said anything of the sort, my issue is with the accuracy of the legacy era buckets which is quite different in multiple sources, but the statue is being taken as the definitive source? From other thread it was said that the 501st uses comic book art references for approval, and is causing an issue with a descrepency with the GG statue. So this would apply to the helmet detail on the GG statue as well when it comes to Femtroopers, since KW's bucket is based directly off the statue and not comic book source or any of the artwork. From panel to panel and from issue to issue, the helmet details change in the legacy series, which I know is problematic. In the exact same issue by same artist, you have troopers who have back central vents on their buckets, and in other panels there is none. Vocoders also change here and there. Many panels have the vocoders as seen in the issue #0 concept images, while others have helmets which appear to just be standard OT TK buckets. What is done in such a situation though? From various sources the buckets are supposed to be different, but because of comic book inconsistency do we say either is acceptable? Like the above mentioned backplate issue, in various panels the backplate details of legacy troopers change. From the same issue Jes appears in we see a different bucket with the different Vocoder --------- Also the cover of the issue of Joker squad on it, the trooper son it have the legacy style vocoders on them.

Yup and didn't see it come up which I found strange, when in other discussions on legacy troopers it has. But Jes is a special case? Sorry but found it odd. 17 pages and not a whole lot of discussion on actual costume details, when this is a research thread. I'm sorry that I'm giving some discussion and opinion that is not popular, but I was just participating in the research discussion too. But we can't do that no more? Well for one the other troopers that appear in the exact same issue that Jes appears in, do show they have the back central vent. We do not see Jes back, but find it quite odd that we are too assume that since we don't see the back of her helmet, and we pages by the same artist of other legacy era troopers to have the back vents, we assume that Jes' bucket would not have it? So we don't see Jes back vent, and some are drawn without it, but then we do see other details like a completely different frown and different tear design, which conflict with the actual statue. GG is inaccurate based on their product history? They are not known for their product quality, other statues they have produced have taken many liberties with established canon source in design. The Hasbro action figure has a different bucket for Jes, so whose to say it's not more accurate if we are going to pick one? Both figures seem to have been left up to artist. I also find the statue suspect when it comes equipped with a DLT-19, a weapon from over 125 years in the past before the character, it's never seen once in the legacy era comics, and it's nowhere in the legacy era sourcebooks. Even comes with an alternate head for the character featuring a hairstyle never seen, so that again is some artist liberties being taken here, which again puts doubt on the whole mindset of the statue's design. As a face character Jes I think is alot easier to do since we don't have to worry about helmet detail. But is an entire fem trooper (non Jes face characters) crl and costume be approved with such conflicting data? I probably should be clear that my main concern is the whole femtrooper becoming a crl, and not really Jes helmet itself for that character if its being treated as a face character since a bucket becomes more of an accessory at that point. But for standard femtrooper builds we are to assume all femtroopers are different from other legacy troopers?

I get you have a vested interest in this costume, that's all I see. I see a costume being essentially tossed up quick and dirty for approval with what appears conflicting research/info. A costume that folks want 501st approved whose sole source of detail is based off a single statue source, while there is conflicting data elsewhere? That seems highly irregular. It's often brought up how costume details in art is hard to follow because of inconsistencies yet same applies to statues, toys, etc. In the past there has been CRL conflicts brought on by following details used from sources like an action figure or statue. A gentle giant statue is being taken as gospel here yet they are known for being highly inaccurate? Their statue artists details often take big liberties in costume modeling.

That doesn't make any sense. Jes Gistang is part of Joker squad and a legacy stormtrooper. We are ignoring everything from the series shes actually in and basing the whole design off a single statue? Heck even the action figure for her is different so why isn't the armor/helmet design based on the action figure? I'm sorry but this is a really odd situation where we are ignoring uniform standards repeated throughout volumes of a comic series and basing the costume solely on a statue? Throughout the series we see the legacy era troopers with these different helmets, but we are to assume that Jes is different from every other trooper. We have legacy era troopes with many references of having the vents and unique vocoders in the actual series as well as the RPG reference book, but we don't see this ONE trooper with that helmet from that angle so we assume a statue is correct? The action figure has her with a standard TK bucket, so why isn't that seen as proof and that statue is being taken as the true source? Gentle giant has often taken many liberties with their statue details and designs. The concept art reference is also seen many times being repeated, the intent is obviously there that the design is supposed to be different. Different artist interpretations have shown variances, it happens, but shouldn't the intent of the armor be based on the actual design concept? A concept which is shown repeated many times throughout the series. The vent in back is seen in tons of panels, the vocoder design is highly inconsistent that is true, but in many panels you can't even see the vocoder as the artist didn't bother to draw many details. Also in comics you often have colorers who come in and erase details through the coloring process. In the WOTC Legacy sourcebook, the Legacy era troopers in all images of them in the book are shown with the unique vocoder and helmet back vent detail. We have images with proof of extra details, but because of other artists decided not to bother to be as detailed, the costume standards should also just ignore the details?

Isn't the helmet missing the vents that go in the center back? In the legacy comics all the stormtroopers have an extra vent right in the back center, as well as in the concept art for them in Star Wars Legacy issue #0 Also in the legacy comics, the stormtroopers don't have standard ribbed vocoders, they have very differet style. You can see an example of this in the concept art of the legacy trooper where you can see the different vocoder and the back vent on the bucket. You can also clearly see the difference in vocoders in many panels of the legacy series that match up with the concept art below. If anything it seems like the statue being used as the model for this project is very wrong as it's missing these details that pop up in much of the artwork in the comic. Course statue is also suspect carrying a DLT-19 when that is never seen being used any issue of the series or in the RPG background resource book for the era either.

Is femtrooper even something that should have it's own designation, shouldn't it be legacy TK? What I mean from the legacy comics, the armor she wears is no different from the rest of the Joker squad soldiers. The males and females wear the same designed armor, even the action figure for her, the armor matches pretty much to that of the males. Only with the GG statue did they alter the armor to be feminine in look. Is there any other sources that it's actually a female armor besides a statue? Cause going through the comics, action figure, and concept arts, it all looks uniform amongst male/female.

The helmet is still accepted from what I've seen, but really if you can, avoid the FX.

Yea you don't have to worry about it being that tight, the ears when tightened will squeeze it all together and cover it up.

Yea I rather get a new plate than having to shim. From that I can see that it's not just my imagination that it's too small. Thanks!

So I got a gap that I want to get rid of on my MC armor. From what I can tell it's not really an issue of my size, but simply with the MC armor itself not being long enough around? Looking at pics, it seems to be the kidney plate which just doesn't come around too much, as other armor makers plates look to curve around the waist much more than the MC. Wondering if anyone else can confirm this, as I would perhaps like to just seem out and get another maker's kidney plate to see if that closes the gap. See other troopers with ATA and other makers who are larger than me and don't have gap issue. The gap on my MC is about 2" on each side and it's about as tight as I could make it. And I guess if anyone has a spare kidney plate of a ATA or similar sized they could perhaps sell me, contact me please.

I'll try that CA poor man's fiberglass to put some reinforcement on it as I'm now going to be paranoid around the straps. Hard to see them so I have no idea how long they have been there, and it shocked me as the other TK in the squad was showing off his completely broken straps right before.

It's only attached to the front, so it was odd for me to see that as I don't know of situations where they get bent much. Only thing I could think of was perhaps in storage in the bin it was getting pushed upon or something by other pieces and formed those cracks. Now keeping the chest plate on top and rested in place that it has no pressure placed on those straps anymore.

So another squad made had one of his straps just snap off, right near where it meets the chest plate. Pretty sucky, but then after the troop I looked at mine and noticed one of them has cracks forming on both sides in about the same exact spot. This is a common occurance? What exactly is causing this? I'm being extra careful with storage to not put any strain on it but is it possible to reinforce these perhaps with some glue behind the straps?

Didn't get mine updated for TK Detachment access: http://www.501st.com/members/displaymember.php?userID=15584&costumeID=124

Got my approval for the TK, requesting access: http://www.501st.com/members/displaymember.php?userID=15584&costumeID=124

SC is the way to go with scout. Best kit, best service, and quick turn around.

Don't think any detachment has really claimed Old Republic costumes. Would imagine it going to Flagship Eclipse if anything. Though for trooper costumes it kinda does seem like a Rebel Legion type of deal due to the setting and these republic troopers having no imperial connection, course there is Imperial Trooper armor options but seems most are focused on trying out the republic styles

So got one recently, lovely work of art these hyperfirms. Got it to use with my TK for something more menacing and also for use with my Scout. Now since I want to use it with my scout, I wanted to make it the sniper variant with a scope attached to it. Would like to have it that I can remove the scope to troop with the TK and then put it back on for Scout sniper duty, but was wondering what I can and can't do with a hyperfirm, or best way to add anything to it. Since I want it to have a detachable scope, figure adding a rail of some kind to the top would be easiest to do. Heard they put a rod in the middle of the hyperfirm dlt? Suppose I shouldn't try drilling or cutting into it, so perhaps best best would simply be using something like e6000 to add a scope rail on top of it. Most scopes might be too heavy though, not sure if the adhesive would be able to withstand the weight of the mounted scope. Perhaps getting a fake plastic scope of some kind, like a airsoft replica or something might work?

Imagine its a garrison thing. Have seen some local events happen with not a single TK present which really motivated to get to working on my TK as I do think that it should be a core costume for 501st. Down here in South Florida we have a crazy amount of Scouts including me which was a big surprise (believe scout outnumbers all the other costumes locally?). Yet see some garrisons/squads with almost none or only a couple. I do think we are seeing more of other costumes though due to them being easier, for example the numbers on the Tie Fighter costumes on the 501st page just keep going up extremely fast in large part due to the Reserve Pilot costume, and other costumes too which are easier for folks to get in. It takes work to get into the 501st and you will have those who want the easy access, and you also have the others who want to work on more elaborate costumes but hate how long they have to wait to get armor and how much time and work will go into it. So they take on a simple costume just to get in the door. And you just have more costume choices now with the more stuff that gets added and no doubt more will be added once the new animated series is released and new movies.

My mind is blown. Wonder if it works fine with white acrylics since that's only gloss white I have on hand.

So using the templates from Trooperbay, and well my first attempt went poorly. Tried to follow their video also but still got lot of paint to leak out beyond the stencils. The one they show in their video is very sticky and goes down well but the ones they sent me don't stick very well and on the curved surface they just wont stay perfectly flat despite me constantly rubbing it down with my nail. It peels off super easy unlike their much stickier one in their video. It didn't look that bad though when I did it, it seems to be pretty secure and I tried to paint slowly. Is there any way to make the templates stick better or tricks to this? Waiting for it to dry to see if I can salvage it by scraping off and retouching it by hand. Gonna see about using a tooth pick with a little thinner on it when its dried a bit to see if I can easily edit the mistake out then just retouch lightly with a small brush. Using less paint with the stencil might be good idea also? I didn't feel like I was using too much and tried to go light, but so much seemed to leaked beyond it. Only did one so far so hope I can do the 2nd one right.