Rich330

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Yes, but what size nail was it? Steel? Brass? And was it painted white or left in its natural metallic colour? :lol:

The points added to the programme for centurion status definitely do seem to go a long way towards prop replication and away from an idealised costume look. We're looking to reproduce things like visible snaps and rivets which the prop department probably looked on as blemishes. These are the type of thing they will have hoped were not immediately visible on screen. I always think if the prop department had had more time and money, the suits would have been different. They would have been produced in shiny acrylic capped ABS with no flaky paint, there would have been no visible fastenings on the outside and the ab buttons may have been functional illuminated buttons with LEDs etc. Maybe the programme needs to be split into two categories; one for an idealised costume and another for prop replication. Prop replication is a lot more straight forward though: you try and find out as much as you can about how the costumes were put together and what they looked like and try and reproduce it. The rules for a programme for an idealised look are a lot more difficult to set out. There are potentially no limits on how to "improve" on the screen-used costumes. You have to speculate (as I did above) as to how the prop department would have done it with more resources. A fascinating project for someone with lots of imagination - you can look into incorporatign LEDs like some members have on their Gunner helmets, TIE pilot chest boxes and comm pads etc. - but it would be almost impossible to set out the rules. I personally like the current slant of the programme. I have one idealised costume and don't currently want to go any further with it. That's why I so far like the new centurion guidelines very much. For me it is a move towards replicating the screen-used costumes more closely whilst not quite being pure prop replication. It's "practical prop replication" or "making wearable costume replicas look as close to the screen-used outfits on the outside whilst being as functional/comfortable/durable on the inside as the individual troper sees fit". "Accurate wearable props for 501st trooper" if you were.

I'd go as far to say that nobody really does. There are a few people who take objection to people challenging him on his claims but there's no direct support for his fairy stories. I just think it's more a case of a few people who have fallen for his marketing line ("original stormtrooper armour from the original maker") and to be fair they have received a decent replica costume and don't want their enjoyment of the project spoiled by uncomfortable truths. As the owner of SDS armour it's then more comfortable to ignore the evidence presented which proves it's a TE recast, so you pretend that you have no interest in the origins. Otherwise you are faced with having to admit you have paid over the odds for a product which isn't quite what the originally believed. I've not seen anyone post anything in direct support of his claims to have sculpted the original parts. The argument is always along the line so "my armour is great ... he malkes a great product ... who cares? ... you have a problem! ...." etc.

I have used something similar on my belt assemblies. They look like this ... http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-4igDjPF9U7BYwrb-Hl4WBhy-NfmcHdOLh2pFanz42hIOLuAX0w I only really used them on my belts because they fit nicely under the rivet covers and you can control the amount of force you apply to them better than with pop rivets and a rivet gun becasue you just smack them with a hammer. That way you know you're not going to take a chunk out of your plastic belt. Looking at them in a new light now, they look like a good alternative to "brads"/papaer fasteners for someone looking for something on the torso which replicates the look of the split rivets but isn't necesarily functional. Plus, it looks like something similar might even have been used to attach the ammo pack. Would be cool if someone who has seen the Si-man armour in person and up close or any other original armour can shed some light on the matter. This connection definitely looks round on the inside too, rather than having the two "legs" of a bifurcated rivet. Curiouser and curiouser ....

We're going a bit off-topic now but what I do find interesting is that the rivet looks round on the inside, i.e. not like the split rivets that I have on my suit. Is it possibly some kind of cap rivet which isn't bifurcated? Applied with a gun, like a pop rivet but with a cap head?

Yay! Well spotted.

I suppose we could ust ask someone who's seen the suit. I know a man who has and when he builds his armour he rivets that part on. Generally he's pretty much renowned for obsessive attention to detail

Here we go ... And here, no sniper plate, but a conspicuous lack of holes(?) ...

These are the best images I can come up with to show the differences but I think it's pretty much accepted that there are no rivets on the sniper plate ... I thought I had the large version of those promo shots but it seems I've only got the smaller versions at the moment. The high-res ones show it pretty clearly. The screen capture of Han is a good one too though.

I like!

I think the most important aspect of the glove configuration is that it looks correct on the outside. For example, I have silk gloves but I do not have the hand plates sewn to the gloves because it's a little impractical. Instead I have them connected to elastic which is wrapped around my hand. I do however have holes in the hand plates with thread sewn in the holes to simulate the stitching. I'd like holes and visible stitching to be compulsary but not necessarily functional. It's a bit like the rivets/brads on the armour. They should be visible on the outside but don't necessarily have to be a functional part of the strapping.

Thanks, Paul.

I was reviewing all the Centurian threads and guidelines again yesterday and I'm probably all set for ANH and ESB. The ESB guidelines have not yet been finalized though, right? I couldn't find a discussion thread either. Is there one?

Well, I've joined!

Or Matt S? Only jesting, Matt. I admire your staying power. Your anti-bullcr@p shield must be pretty effective!

Cheers, man. I love the Leia Hoth outfit. Conny has a white body warmer which has nothing really to do with Star Wars but I always refer to it as the "Leia Hoth body warmer".

The whole package is superb but those biceps are particularly nice!

No hard armour for the missus anymore. She's just had her Imperial Crew costume cleared. Once I get my TIE pilot finished, I'll be getting her some gloves and donating my Gunner helmet so she can be the family Imperial Gunner. We're also working on an Ysanne Isard (weird EU officer character) costume for her. Here's her only cleared costume at the moment ...

Unfortunately my wife has sold her armour and this costume is now retired.

You're doing a cracking job of this, mate.

Don't mistake a theatrical costume for dance with the detailed replica costumes we wear. This is designed as a rough representation, to be used for formation dance, to be viewed from a distance ... .... shame the dance routine was crap too though eh!

I find if I drink a lot, I drop off pretty sharpish but I'm awake again in the early hours and can't get back to sleep. Just like last night.