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Report · September 29, 2019

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October 22, 2018

Hi all,

Well, I put the hot water on and did some removal of some return edges and I think I have some pretty good results.

I was able to narrow the gap down to around 1/2" between the back and kidney plates.

In this picture the shoulder tabs are pretty much sticking straight up. I'll reshape them into a form-fitting curve, my only concern is the neck hollow between the shoulder tabs. I'm thinking this might need some shimming?

Not the best picture to show the position of the backplate in relation to the chest plate. My helper/photographer was short! I think i'm going to install the strapping and get some better pics with more of the suit together. I think I'm on the right path.

Let me know what you all think.

Many thanks!!!

October 18, 2018

Yeah, the back plate definitely looks quite high.Can't see the top of the back plate in the side photo and the back photo is taken from a bit of a lower angle, but I'm guessing that the tabs of the back plate are kind of just poking into you. Bending these up should help. Keep in mind that the shoulde bridges need to reach the back plate so you may not be able to close this gap completely. Normally, if people are taller than 6', I recommend going with a vendor that makes larger kits (i.e. AM or RT-Mod).

Well... darn. I think I might give shimming the too of the kidney and the ab plate a go after I lower the back plate as much as possible. I can make this work, I think. It’s more than I thought I’d have to take on, but I’m up for it.

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October 18, 2018

6 hours ago, lucnak said:

I don't recall every seeing anyone extend the tabs of the back plate before. Can we see a photo of this on your body? Is it possible that your kidney and butt plate are sitting too low? That's a pretty large gap right now.

Hi Luc,

Thanks for getting back to me. I jumped into my onesie and took some photos of the test-fit.

You can see the back plate riding high up here, compared to the kidney plate. The butt plate is at a decent location, and the top of the kidney plate lines up well with the ab plate.

Orientation of the ab plate. If I hike this up anymore I'd feel... vulnerable.

In looking at this picture it looks like the inside edge of the neck hollow is sitting on my trapezius'. I think I can get a little of the gap out by trimming off some return edge and forming the tabs that extend to the chest plate to a better contour.

I don't know if it'll get all of the gap out, but it will lessen most of it.

Let me know what you think!

Thanks again!

October 16, 2018

Hi everyone!

I have moved on to trying my suit out, and fitting this to my moderately tall (6'1"-ish) frame, have run into a funny issue with the back to kidney connection...

I have a gap of about 2 1/2" between the two. I know for centurion minimal to no gap is acceptable. I think I have a solution to straighten out the tabs at the top and drop the back plate down to meet the kidney plate. May have to install shims to the top tabs on the back plate. Is this an acceptable fix for this?

Thanks again for you guidance!

October 16, 2018

I'm having problems with this too. Were you able to find a solution?

October 12, 2018

On 10/10/2018 at 9:02 AM, wook1138 said:

Hey Ryan, I just noticed this build thread. Great job on sizing down that armour! Since you are already referencing Cricket's build, I can't really add anything truly helpful here.

I'll repeat something that has already been said - you will probably want to trim away some of the return edge at the top of the forearm for comfort - speaking from experience.

Keep up the good work. I like your solution for hot bathing larger items.

Thanks Greg.

I did trim a little of the return edge of both the forearm pieces and the bottom of the biceps. In the process of gluing the elastics between them now. Glad you liked the brew kettle for the forming/bending! It worked like a charm!

October 12, 2018

On 10/10/2018 at 1:35 PM, lucnak said:

For her back plate, heat bend the tabs down . Will be a bit more accurate than trimming the bottom of the back plate. Looking good! Great progress.

Thanks, Luc! I really didn't want to have to do any trimming - I think that's unavoidable for the thigh pieces (pics of those coming after this weekend). I'll get a pot of water on shortly and bend those tabs down!

October 10, 2018

Hi all,

It's been a while since my last update. My wife and I have still been building - usually a little each night, but figured we'd update when we made a little more progress. Long story short, all my snap material and tools have come in the mail, and my wife and I have been busy strapping all her torso pieces together. We are using a hybrid system of JustJoseph63's snap system and some Ukswrath's tutorial (Dritz Sew-on snaps). Lots of double snap attachments for all the extreme trooping we plan to do, plus we figure that it would be nice to have each piece easily removable for future fitting/adustments!

Here are the pictures

Front View

Back View - I still have the electrical tape on where I thought I might trim. I'm rethinking it now.might trim the sides of the back plate lower down.

The shoulder bells like to tuck underneath the chest plate. I think I may have to pull the shoulder bells up higher to fix this, or possibly trim the sides of the chest plate a little.

Shot of the right side. Bell also tucked in.

Side shot. I might bend the tabs on the back plate down with hot water, or trim the bottom of the plate to bring it down.

We forgot to do up the snaps on the right side of the torso. It comes together nicely though... believe me!

Other side, complete with "Warrior Hair".

Thanks all! We have been referencing Cricket's build and trimming guide a lot, and it is great to have all of this info in one place. As always, really appreciate any feedback you have to offer.

August 31, 2018

Back again with another update! Tried my hand at using hot water to form my wife's armor to a more fitting shape, and it worked (for the most part). I also tried some re-shaping with my heat gun on a scrap chunk of plastic, and was okay with that too.

Since I haven't seen too many posts on re-shaping with hot water, I figured I'd share my adventure

Pieces I wanted to re-shape. Scrap for experimentation at the bottom left. Hard-hitting sci-fi to read while waiting for water to boil on the right.

My setup for this task... I re-purposed my boil kettle and burner for home brewing, which came in handy. I kept a tub of cold water close by for a quick quenching.

This pot held the whole ab plate.... NOTE: I shut the burner down any time i took the plastic near the pot. The interweb says ABS has melting point of 221˚F (105˚C), and water boils at 212˚F (100˚C). No chance of ever melting this stuff with the water. Propane flame is around 3,500˚F. DOOOOOM!!!! I found the plastic didn't get pliable until close to the boiling point.

Skipping a couple steps, but I reshaped the ab and kidney plates to a nice shape using the inside of a 5 gallon bucket. I pushed the pieces inside until they were about as wide as I wanted them, poured the water in, held for about 40 seconds and then submerged the whole thing in the big cold water tub. Here is the lovely shape I got. They now fit m'lady's body quite a lot better.

RIGHT SIDE ... I re-fit the sections back on her, and am happy to report that my old marks were bang on!

LEFT SIDE ... I am left with about 1-1/4" (30mm) at the top on each side that I think I will have to trim in order to get these to meet up properly.

BACK FIT-UP... I figure I'm going to have to reshape the tush plate. The upper back was moved up to show the rest.

Here is how the back plate fits up. I'll give this a bit of a reforming to better match with the kidney plate. I have reconsidered trimming anything off the sides until it is reshaped a bit.

Illustration of the area of where the butt plate and rear thighs are mingling a little too much. I might have to break this party up! What to trim? the butt plate? the thighs? I think I should trim the thighs.

The right thigh. I've marked out a rough cut area with a removable marker.

A few questions...

-Trimming the ab and kidney plate... do I split the difference between both the ab and kidney plate and trim 3/8" off each? that will give me a straight line right up the side. If i trim just one or the other, it will give me a more angular seam line that already exists. Is there any preference between the two?

-The butt plate looks to be a good size. I'll need to form the bottom "tab" in a bit. Are the thighs the right thing to cut here?

In other news... I've been working on my suit while we're waiting for snaps and setting tools to arrive from Tandy Leather. It looks like I'm either going to have to shim my kidney plate (1-1/2" total) or hit the gym! I honestly don't know which would be harder. :6:

Let me know what y'all think! Until next time!

August 21, 2018

They are actual screen-shots so in a sence they are not missing anything And most of them have it, it`s also quite possible the same helmets from different angles.

Ah! I meant it looks like the Anovos helmets, while an improvement from previous versions, may still need some painting on the frowns.

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August 21, 2018

And here`s some refrence to get that Stunt look

It looks like they’re still missing that last little triangle at the corners of the frown. Otherwise not too bad.

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August 21, 2018

ANOVOS CHANGES???

Good evening everyone! While looking over the kits, I have noticed a couple of changes that Anovos must have recently made. See below...

Belt no longer comes assembled in "hero" configuration. If I'm not mistaken, I should be able to get this right without any modification.

The frown on the helmet looks a little more screen accurate than the previous versions with the teeth not fully painted.

Does anyone else have a kit similar to this form Anovos?

August 20, 2018

Update:

I've looked through Cricket's build thread and found her trimming guide. I though about it for a day or so, and came up with (what I think) may be a new idea

I've tried a new fit-up tactic. I'm using black electrical tape to knock out any areas that I think may need trimming - heavily referencing Cricket's trimming guide.

My wife is 5'-6", and for the most part, things seem to be fitting okay. I've notices some areas where the armor appears just too bulky in places.

I've used black electrical tape to knock out some areas at the sides where the shoulder bells go. I think I'm on the right path. It looks like the chest plate should hang in a good location on the ab plate.

I think I've got too much of a taper at the bottom of the back plate.

Chest Plate to Back Plate - Here is one of the areas I think is going to need reforming with heat, or will just need to be removed entirely.

I've pulled the Kidney Plate in to fit her form. There are gaps at the corners of the Back Plate that look like they will need to brought in with a little reshaping. Again, looks like I've too much taper at the bottom of this piece.

Another shot of the Back-to Kidney Plate gap.

The reason I wanted to cut down the Ab Plate - the top landed in a somewhat uncomfortable spot for a lady. I took the return edge off, and she says it is comfortable. I don't think I'll trim this unless it really bothers her.

Another shot of her left side alignment. I'm going to split the difference between the ab and kidney plates for the trim. I've marked the proposed seam location , and it still looks pretty straight.

Right side again. I don't know why, but I'm nervous about trimming this piece.

Whole back assembly.

While we were test fitting these pieces, we did a fly-by on the thigh pieces too. not too shabby. some trimming on the back might be required. I didn't take any pictures yet, but once I have the chest and back finalized, I'll concentrate on the thighs and shoulder bells.

I'm hoping that once I have the whole torso assembly riveted and buttoned, it will fit her shape well, and won't need too much reforming.

August 19, 2018

3 hours ago, justjoseph63 said:

Unless you are VERY familiar with a heat gun I would avoid it at all costs for reshaping armor. Most of them can reach temperatures of over a thousand degrees or more, which is way too hot for anyone not used to working with one.

What parts do you need to re-shape? There are alternatives you can use for some pieces. Pics would definitely help.

I'm looking to reshape the ab plate and kidney plate, as the outside edges flare too far away from her body. There is a large gap of 2" or so on both sides in places. The fitment pictures I shared don;t show it, as the armor was taped tight to her shape. I'll post some pics of the gap(s) later tonight.

August 18, 2018

Another quick question for everyone... What is the best way to reshape the plastic parts i.e.: adjust the contours to fit body shapes? I have a heat gun, but don't want to melt anything. Do hair dryers work for this purpose? In Cricket's thread she talks about a hot water bath. Is that the preferred method for everyone?

August 18, 2018

8 hours ago, justjoseph63 said:

I would avoid trimming the ab plate, Ryan. The chest plate and back plate can be trimmed, though. If you look at Luke's armor in the (photo 1) you will see that since he was "A little short for a Stormtrooper" they trimmed the bottom of the the chest (and the neck) and in the second photo it shows that the bottom of the back was cut down as well. Cricket has an incredible build thread for the "vertically challenged" that will help a lot, located here: https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/38416-crickets-rs-stunt-build-for-the-vertically-challenged/?tab=comments#comment-514228

The left ab/kidney connection looks great from what I can see. The line runs vertical,and the rivets should line up just right (as seen on Luke in the third photo) so I would leave the ab plate alone. You will also see in the third pic that the return edge on the sides were trimmed. The right ab/kidney connection can overlap, (but can be trimmed). The important thing is that you don't have gaps. Keep up the great work!

Thanks, Joseph. I've seen Cricket's thread before and she did a fantastic job. I'll follow that to a tee!

August 18, 2018

4 hours ago, TheSwede said:

Joseph got you covered so all that’s left for me is to say - cool mug

Thanks! I originally bought it for myself, but she's taken full ownership. I've created a monster.

August 18, 2018

7 hours ago, trixim said:

the stormin' norman is fantastic. i hope you finish that someday, did you ever pull plastic from any of it?

Thanks Ethan! I pulled a couple negative molds from it, but never pulled any plastic. I was going to build a vaccu-form table, but I've abandoned the project. Still have the fiberglass cast of myself in the garage though, as well as an inhuman amount of Plasticine, I'm hoping my kids will get into monster makeup someday. Haha!

August 18, 2018

Okay folks! I'm back! Ive been doing a fitment check of my wife's suit - torso and back - and have some questions... here goes...

The chest plate looks to be too big for her frame. What are some acceptable ways to trim this down and stay in regulation?

Back fit-up. I think the back plate will need to be trimmed, as there is some overlap with the kidney plate, and, like the chest plate, looks too big for her frame.

Nothing really new in this picture... she just wanted everyone to see her cool mug.

The bottom sketched line is where the bottom of the chest plate comes. If I don't have to trim it, the top line is where I think I could trim to get the ab plate to a comfortable level for her.

Side alignment of the ab/kidney/butt plate. Haven't trimmed anything, but bent the kidney plate to the shape of her body better. Is this looking okay?

Other side.

I'm hesitant to trim anything, and will be combing through some other threads. If anyone knows a good link to someone who trimmed a suit up to fit a lady trooper, please let me know!

Again, your feedback is much appreciated! Thanks all!

August 13, 2018

Ok, have you taken the return edge off the wrist side of the forearms? that will affect the fitment as well. if you leave it till the last minute you will find that the armor may be too lose and wont fit right. then your gonna have to play with stuffing it with foam

I did remove the return edge from the wrist side of the forearm. I can post pictures of the fit on that later, but it is fairly fitting.

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August 13, 2018

23 minutes ago, Commander Gree said:

If you can, post pictures directly into your thread, not a link. This makes it easier for us to all see it, and we don't need to worry about where the link is going to take us.

Also, the only part of the entire armor that has anything to do with return edges are the forearms, and that is that the edges cant be on the wrist side. Besides that everything else can go or stay, depending on fitment and comfort. Just because the are in references doesn't mean they are required. Follow the CRL, that's all that matters

Okay, Thanks! I've redone the original post, and the pictures show up directly now (My apologies. I'm a forum noob). The fit-up was comfortable, and as form-fitting as i could get it. I did intend on shaving the return edges down after final assembly as required to fine tune the fit. I'm mostly certain that the one thigh might not meet up properly at the bottom of the bach side, and, in looking through the pics again, I'm noticing that the rear butt connection of the biceps will not align properly with the rear butt connection of the forearms on final assembly. I'm going to have another go at those and see how it looks.

August 13, 2018

19 hours ago, StrmTRPR85 said:

Did you test fit with all that return edge? I would remove more of that edge for comfort than test fit again.

I did do the test fit with the return edge. Most of the reference pictures I look at show the return edges, so I've opted to leave them for now. The fit was fairly comfortable (as much as shrp-edged pokey plastic can be). Does the fit look okay?

August 12, 2018

August 10th Progress (Wife's Suit) - Thighs, biceps, forearms

Hi all,

I've been following Ukswrath's Anovos build thread, and am working on all of the pieces that need to be glued together first. Let me know about the pictures, I've checked the fit of all the pieces and they look to be fairly form-fitting without being too tight. I am keeping the return edges in place - except for the bottoms of the forearms, and can trim them later for comfort.

Please let me know what you think of the progress thus far. I think i have to rethink the bottom of the one thigh piece, I think y'all will know what I mean when you look at the pics.

Hope all is well with everyone out there! Thanks again for all of your help!

New Member Introductions Archive · August 7, 2018

Thanks everyone! I'm already getting started with Ukswrath's build page. I'll be pouring through the pre-approval galleries too.

Now off to my neighborhood bar 'Shenanigans' for a beer before I continue.

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