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Why are members of DIY Props being suspended. I am a member of both sites and pretty much keep a low profile. I have couple te2 helmets and one CAP bucket and FX armor. Are people honestly being suspended from FISD because they have armor that was recasted? I couldn't give a rat's an impolite person where you get your stuff from. Everyone should be having fun playing with their STAR WARS COSTUMES!!!!! I know some poeple have spent a lot of money to buy molds and have invested a lot of time and energy into this hobby. But unless you own a suit of armor that was in the movie, you are a recaster. Plain and simple. If you are in the armor business to make money and corner the market, you are stealing from LFL. Everyone shouold buy a Rubies costume if you want to high and mighty since it's licensed.

 

Can't we all just get along? I've never even trooped before, and to be honest, when I go out on halloween dressed as a TK, because of the bickering between the FISD, DIY, MEPD, etc, I am going to avoid any TK I see because I really would like to avoid any conversation about the hobby. I want to go out, have fun and drink beers with other people who are IN COSTUMES HOPING TO HAVE FUN!

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John,

501st is a club with its rules. FISD has its own rules too.

You're not forced to join neither of the two to wear Stormtrooper armor.

If what you want is to use your Stormtrooper armor to have fun in Halloween maybe you should consider if being part of these clubs is for you.

For me being part of the 501st and the FISD is helping others, learning about the armor and spending good moments with a lot of virtual and non-virtual friends.

 

I don't think that forum moderation is something that needs to be discussed in public. Not at least if most of us don't see a need to do that.

Staff has its reason to ban someone and they only need to explain the reasons to the people banned.

If you have questions to make, PM a member of the staff and ask your questions.

But I really don't see a reason for us to discuss the rules, as most people seem to be OK with the rules.

 

I personally don't like hobby politics. I just obey the rules. And do my part by trying to help others, that is the reason I'm here really (and to know as much as I can about Stormtrooper armor.)

 

But that's just me. You can do whatever you like. I know you don't mean to be rude or something like that. But I think it's better to leave some things private.

I hope you understand what I mean and understand that I don't mean nothing personal with this.

Cheers.

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I'll answer this as it was my action.

 

1. I did not suspend all members, just three.

2. In hindsight, it was a bit of a over-reaction.

 

However it's only fair to share what was posted on DIY that got me so upset:

 

For those not in the know, DIY is hosted by CAP, aka Chris Peters. What distinguishes DIY is:

 

1. It's admins and some key members advocate unlimited recasting of all kinds w/o consequence. Recast TM? Not a problem. In fact they brag about who they've recasted, and who they plan on recasting. As is quite clear, this is against the 501st charter and the 501st code of conduct, and worst hurts the prop building community. Even the vaunted RPF does not advocate such an extreme position as DIY supports in this regard, for the last of the reasons I cited.

 

2. Various members who are dual to both this board and DIY have participated in conversations that slander 501st members, both in denigrations and outright lies. While we cannot control what non-501st members so, it's also against the 501st charter for 501st members to do so. Heck, lying and supporting lies is just bad joo joo all around.

 

I have to say I'm pretty curious why these same DIY members who poo poo both the Legion and FISD in particular - and the values that these clubs support - are so vocal there, but on this forum act all friendly and supportive. I'd very much love to know why people who hate this forum are so keen to remain as members here.

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You are right that some things that were said at DIY were insulting. It is not our main target to do so. I don't need to tell it to you Paul but to everyone else not being in the staff here... you claim on this forum act all friendly and supportive but this is a masquerade. Some really do but the reason why the DIY was founded is because of what's behind it! The DIY is not a place to hide and the target was not to have all recasters in one forum. We exist because we wanted an honest place and people who are long in this community know who are the real liars.

I would also love to know why people that defend you and were also a member at DIY like Terrel wanted to stay also.

At the beginning the DIY was an open forum and we were prepared for discussions about recasting. Soon we had a problem with some guys that spreaded propaganda to defend their business or in name of someone. Just the way like it still happens all to often! You have a point to suspend 501st members if they are recasters. I understand that you have to act like this because you are the admin and have to follow 501st rules. Anyway you are not as clean as you let it look like Paul. You have two faces like many others. You ask me to prove it right? You wouldn't ask me if you knew it would be possible. Again you were right to suspend them regarding the rules but you are guilty as well.

You set the DIY in a bad light but you won't find more honesty and truth anywhere else. I keep an eye for it and the first step Chris made was to close the forum. I wouldn't have a reason to explain if you weren't two faced and calling me and DIY liars! Keep praying your rules and break them behind the doors again and again my friend you have the force!

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I have no issue with people being both a member of DIY and FISD. Nor do I have an issue with some on my staff being both members of FISD and DIY. Here are the issues as I see them:

 

1. Please explain why I am not as clean as I let on, and what my two faces are.

 

2. Actually I have never suspended anyone for recasting. And I acknowledge that suspending Scootch was a bad call and unsuspended his account. The only two suspended members are catbread and Dutchy.

 

3. While I can suspend a 501st member for recasting, I actually never have. In fact, not a single 501st member has ever been suspended on this forum for recasting. I can however ban people for bad business practices or repeated violations of forum rules. That list comprises 5 people: Matt/TE, GINO, DaveTheDane, CAP (who asked to be banned) and tk533.

 

4. Here are the untruths that I found on DIY:

 

-> PT: "Some even had the FISD admin delete their threads". We've never deleted a PT build thread - in fact there are some on this forum (thread below)

-> Dark Agent: "one rule for admin and one rule for everyone else over at the fisd" Not true, rules apply to everyone equally. I challenge anyone to post evidence of an exception.

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-> PT: [catbread was banned] "Because you are showing my gear". Nope.

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-> PT: "because they [FISD] fell soo sorry for Tony (and want to control the trooper market...)... Not true at all. My only goal is to ensure that only reputable vendors can

sell on FISD, and that the information is transparent. Have you seen us prevent a VT sale? A Tray sale? Heck, even TE sells buckets via Stomper.

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-> soldierof4cheese : "I am sure turdell is behind it." Not true at all. it was me.

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-> This isn't related, but is interesting that soldierof4cheese admits wanting to recast anything TE2 produces, and people think it's cool.

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-> Here, soldierof4cheese says that I'm a major puss and that Terrell is my boyfriend and watch porn. You chime in agreeing. I'm not gay and have never met Terrell in person in my entire life. I'm pretty sure Terrell isn't gay either.

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Even you have to admit that banning FISD staff on FISD in retaliation for me suspending 3 dual members for slander is a bit much. If I'm wrong, aren't you wrong too? And, I agree that suspending Scootch with no warning was an error of judgment on my part.

 

C'mon Marcus - please explain my lies and two-facedness. I'm dying to hear them. It's sad really Vaj as I've never objected to you being on this forum in the past, as you do contribute to it.

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Like I said it was not okay with the insultings. I appologize for me and the DIY! The thing is we have no rules to prevent it but it's exactly what happens in life all the time. People that think they are your friends make you bad behind your back. That's human. I don't do this as I know how it feels and it's wrong. In this case you are not my friend and not anymore for others. So it's all to tempting for disappointed people of 501st/FISD to talk this stuff. Anyway this is no excuse I only explain it. Everything is heated up and I am open for suggestions to have peace. It can't fall under 501st rules though!

 

At first you remove the pictures of the DIY forum because we are a closed forum please! I appologized so please respect that! Then please show some honesty and tell me who are the moles in our forum that told you what was written there! Without your informants that are hiding in our rows we wouldn't have this quarrel now.

 

We were only insulting... in the background you are organized with spies in our forum! We always knew that and didn't care what we say. Maybe some forgot but now it's your turn to prove some honesty and tell me the moles! No respect for untrusty and hiding persons please! They are your friends Paul I know and you won't tell it. I am not interested in attacking you or anyone else officialy because I want peace and not war. Even if it means we never will have the same kind of view.

It's silly to tell you your lies or whatever. It is also contra productive if we want peace. Also I can't prove it. I guess older members can read between the lines and that's enough for me. That kind of people are in the DIY.

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I think you are naive then Marcus. You should realize that as the owner of the forum the conduct of it's membership is a direct reflection on yourself and the values you have, and you have a responsibility to ensure that these values are reflected on that board.

 

You're right - you are a closed forum. I guess it needs to be if some of the prime conversations involve belittling others, plots to overthrow 501st elections, and also how to engage in theft of a person's hard work.

 

As long as DIY is a place where open and unrestricted recasting is not only allowed but highly encouraged - something which is not condoned by the 501st Legion and this being a 501st Legion forum - there can never be "peace" as your beliefs are counter to the mission of FISD.

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you are wrong if you think you have the right to control every forum! The DIY has nothing to do with 501st and I am the owner the DIY! So don't act like you have the right to do it! If I forbid it you have to do it! It is one thing if you suspend 501st members but another if you want control of things that don't belong to you! First you have your spies in our forum then you make things public that is not meant for public! It is not your decision which information is in your opinion for public out of a closed forum! No rule of 501st can give you the right to copy and paste information of a not 501st related forum!!!! No matter if it's insulting or whatever! You make it a personal thing and that's where you fail!

You are an open forum and bounded by the rules. I am not on my closed forum so we have different rules to follow!

You were a supporter of recasters in buying stuff of them. To the same time you made claims against recasters!

You suspended members that you could only know by having your moles in DIY! The DIY is not your territory and it is arrogant to think so! The reason why you want to control it or want to see it destroyed is to defend your backdoor deals and business of your two faced comrades! Just the same politics like TE and Gino etc.

TE is selling his stuff through others here yes. He also sold CAP lids as made by him! Others sell inaccurate and altered mic tips as accurate! I always shake my head if always the same members praising each other how nice their products are. It is so transparent that it's marketing. Many have fake nicks that are already banned! And so on and so on!!!!!!!!!!! You sit back and watch and talk about honesty and how helpful you are!

A thing we only wanted to make different on DIY! Again I know you know that and this is what makes you two faced for example! Business, propaganda, lies... is what's behind your 501st mask!

Remove the pictures Paul.. it's not that no one should know.. it's that you don't have the right if I as the owner of a closed forum tell you to remove it! I also ask you again to tell me who your spies are! I will let everybody know that you are not trying to control the DIY anymore! You can't anyway ..you can only heat the situation up for your additional part of propaganda!

 

Marcus

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I like Joe's idea, what's done is done, let's move on. I've promised to do my part to keep the peace. I agree with Marcus that the pages should come down. No good will come of it. The best thing to do is ignore the mole instigators. Nothing else to say about it.

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