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I am working on my bucket (ANH RS PropMasters).  Joined the backcap and the face and after riveting, something seems a bit off.  The brow is not sitting tightly on the face and there's a gap between the two.  Hoping I can upload photos.  I was going 100% by the RS tutorial and guide.  Is this supposed to sit like this or did I screw it up?  https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipMy0gVO-Hcgnh_XR1yP3DWwHXf6yOudmwUw4rJQ

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I am working on my bucket (ANH RS PropMasters).  Joined the backcap and the face and after riveting, something seems a bit off.  The brow is not sitting tightly on the face and there's a gap between the two.  Hoping I can upload photos.  I was going 100% by the RS tutorial and guide.  Is this supposed to sit like this or did I screw it up?  https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipMy0gVO-Hcgnh_XR1yP3DWwHXf6yOudmwUw4rJQ
Can you upload some photos here in the thread?

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Your images aren't showing, you may want to try an online image host like Imgur, it's free and many of us use it.

 

A couple of great threads which may be of help

 

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5 minutes ago, Sn4k3 said:

Can you upload some photos here in the thread?

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It informs me I get 512kb to work with.  There's a few photos there, I may be able to link them individually.  I tried Google photos.

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9 minutes ago, Zinfer said:

If you can use the "direct link" option or just copy and paste ;) 

 

Two things can be done to make the brow sit tighter, you can either pull the front downwards, this will change the angle of the faceplate and should close the gap (but will give you more gap under the brow trim) OR remove the rivets, slot the holes and bring the backplate further backwards. Many of us don't use the rivets, we use bolts and nuts, allows you to move the pieces around until you get them just right. Personally I would do the second option ;) 

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Zinfer i agree with Gmrhodes13

 

The issue is that the faceplate wasn't tight enough at the moment of rivet the two pieces.

 

Is not the end of the world, that is very fixable, And gmrhodes already gave you the solution.

 

I can recommend the use of magnets to keep in place the dome and faceplate at the moment of riveting, and, i can also say that i don't use rivets to do that.

 

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Drilling out the rivets is doable.  Pretty sure you both meant screws and nuts? The PVC is just a bit difficult to work with as it's very stiff.
Yes screws and bolts.

Stiff is good, that's how it should be.

Are your starting your build with the helmet?

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For drilling rivets, grip at the back with pliers, use a sharp drill bit and drill slowly or heat will build up, you only need to go through the top cap of the rivet and the rest should pull out

 

 

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3 hours ago, Sn4k3 said:

Yes screws and bolts.

Stiff is good, that's how it should be.

Are your starting your build with the helmet?

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Yep starting with the helm.  Screws and NUTS is the plan.  Gotta see if I have some on hand before going looking for 4mm screws as tomorrow is Thanksgiving.  Shame that my first try with rivets went so poorly.

 

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3 hours ago, gmrhodes13 said:

For drilling rivets, grip at the back with pliers, use a sharp drill bit and drill slowly or heat will build up, you only need to go through the top cap of the rivet and the rest should pull out

 

 

Thanks man.  Trying my best at the first build.  I hope all I need to do is slot and pray that my initial hole doesn't come past the backcap and into the face.

 

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6 hours ago, Zinfer said:

Thanks man.  Trying my best at the first build.  I hope all I need to do is slot and pray that my initial hole doesn't come past the backcap and into the face.

 

You can always re-dril another hole, remember the ear will cover this area ;)

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Keep calm bro, you have no idea how bad i screwed my build the fist time, (i had to buy a new shin) my advise, study a lot this threads and ask always if any doubt arises.

In your case I would drill a new hole.

Remember you can use pressure clamps or magnets to hold in position the two helmet pieces, before drilling make sure the pieces are positioned the way you want them to be.



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On 11/25/2020 at 6:04 AM, Sn4k3 said:

Keep calm bro, you have no idea how bad i screwed my build the fist time, (i had to buy a new shin) my advise, study a lot this threads and ask always if any doubt arises.

In your case I would drill a new hole.

Remember you can use pressure clamps or magnets to hold in position the two helmet pieces, before drilling make sure the pieces are positioned the way you want them to be.



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I got the Right ear on just fine.  It's just that buggered up left ear area from RS Propmasters is what's giving me a real problem.  Began trimming my second chance left ear when my Dremel flexishaft 225-T2 broke.  This left ear really has it in for me.  Hard to believe Rob said the left was the easiest.

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I may have it under control.  The first attempt failed as I took too much meat.  I get one more try before I have to order beg, plead for another pair of left ear trim from RS.  But this is my problem, this warbled garbage mess on the left of the helmet.  It's hell to work around.  It's a very firm warbled area.   wd2K9ux.jpg

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I guess what I'm most afraid of is when running the twin screws in, that it distorts the helm raising the brow on the left side.

But I'll know more tomorrow when I pick up a new flex shaft.  Being my second try I don't really want to change up to an exacto or freehanding it with the actual heavy dremel itself.  Just need to be careful not to overtrim the ear before I find out what putting the screws in will do.

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It does look like the faceplate wants to come further forward, you do have a gap between it and the brow trim.

 

There is no reason you can't add extra srews/bolts to any areas that aren't sitting flush, as long as they are in areas the ear will cover

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It should do but it does mean you have pressure on the ears when you are checking when sanding/trimming, I normally use magnets to keep the sides pressed together tight, just makes trimming the ears a little easier.

 

Doing a little extra work now will make you happier in the end ;) 

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I got the Right ear on just fine.  It's just that buggered up left ear area from RS Propmasters is what's giving me a real problem.  Began trimming my second chance left ear when my Dremel flexishaft 225-T2 broke.  This left ear really has it in for me.  Hard to believe Rob said the left was the easiest.
Both ear caps are a pain.

Always check screenshots from the movie and photos of the screen used helmets, those are the best references, keep in mind that there are many discrepancies among the helmets in the movie. But still it should give you a good idea of how a stromtrooper should look.


Trim the edge, check with the helmet, doesn't fit?, File down carefully, and re check how does it fit the helmet, is tedious but is a good to prevent file down too much.



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I guess what I'm most afraid of is when running the twin screws in, that it distorts the helm raising the brow on the left side.
But I'll know more tomorrow when I pick up a new flex shaft.  Being my second try I don't really want to change up to an exacto or freehanding it with the actual heavy dremel itself.  Just need to be careful not to overtrim the ear before I find out what putting the screws in will do.
Hold the whole thing with magnets, n42 strength at least, and around 20mm wide and 5mm tall.

I leave no return edge in the round areas of the sides of the helmet, that allows that round area to sit better against the sides of the faceplate.

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I got it!  Finally and the brow seems alot tighter now.  I had to disassemnble/drill out the rivets, used magnets this time up front.  slotted all 4 rivet holes and retightened.  The Magnets I think did the trick as I would need like 3 or 4 arms otherwise.

 

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I got it!  Finally and the brow seems alot tighter now.  I had to disassemnble/drill out the rivets, used magnets this time up front.  slotted all 4 rivet holes and retightened.  The Magnets I think did the trick as I would need like 3 or 4 arms otherwise.
 
Yes, magnets are handy.

I'm glad that things are working now how is supposed to be

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