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Emma's First ANH Stunt [WTF] - any help is appreciated!

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I believe it's just 1" black elastic (you can just use the same width as your current loops) and you can just buy a certain length of it. Then, you cut it so it's a longer loop, and if you don't want to sew it, you can glue the ends of it with super glue

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Today was a day of progress, revelations, and questions. *inhales* alright, here we go!

 

 

First of all, one thigh shim down! A test fit with some other armor held up just to make sure the thigh slides on all the way. It's a teeny bit tight but any larger a shim and I fear I would have put too much strain on the armor. Already it feels pretty strained... I had to use some CA glue already to secure a loosening inner cover strip, but now it's super glued. I feel I can get used to it (wearing armor is a strange feeling).

 

Here it is compared to the ab (which I accidentally placed too high in the pic) (I have to trim the cod to make the ab sit lower... more to come on that later):

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and the butt plate (which I held a bit too high up on my body, but you get the point).

 

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I want to make sure I can make a mobility cut out of the back... otherwise I can hardly bend my leg! Would something like the red line below be acceptable? Just up to the height of the shim, cutting out some of the back ridge.

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Next up for the night, ab plates! I trimmed the larger ab plate a bit more per recommendation on this build thread, and I trimmed the smaller ab plate, using the inside indents as guidelines.

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That's all on the ab plate front right now! Since I trimmed the larger ab plate, I might not have to give it a hot water bath, glue might be enough for it to lay flat, but we'll have to see.

 

 

I trimmed the chest plate bottom return edge a bit more but again have encountered the same problem: there is a gap between the chest and the ab. The armor makes contact at the points circled in red, preventing a flush fit. 

 

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I cannot figure out what I need to do to fix this. If I trim the return edge much more, no room for the brackets. Can I bend the chest plate around with heat to better fit the contour of the ab?? Any ideas would be hugely appreciated, I'm a bit stumped but want to move forward on the torso.

 

 

 

Lastly, a new revelation: I am going to have to trim the ab by slicing the cod. I decided to do a test fit, placing the kidney directly above where the butt plate is going to go, and letting the ab sit on, well, my "abs," I should say my stomach :P. I made sure it didn't sit too high, otherwise it starts to ride up on my chest, or just sit on my chest completely. Since the top of the ab has to align with the top of the kidney, I will use this as my marker to orient the rest of the torso pieces. Like so:

 

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This looks fine until you realize that once I orient that ab plate to actually sit at the proper height on my body, the cod is WAAYYYYY too low. Like, my hand is where the cod is Supposed to end. Look at that height difference.

 

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It's hard to tell because my dark leggings and shadows obscure it, but I can assure you, when I adjust the ab to be the proper height on my torso on the top, it goes way too low on the bottom. The alternative is that I raise the ab, but then it cuts into my chest, places the kidney too high (and subsequently the posterior) and the whole thing becomes skewed.

 

So.... must I slice the cod? I think so.....

 

 

I was afraid of doing this and have no idea how, but like with all else on here, I must research research research and then execute the best I can. It's looking like at 5'6", slicing the cod is going to be a thing. I was in denial at first, but now I see in order for this to be comfortable, that's what I must do. I read that of all torso pieces, the ab is what sets the rest. So I must have it sit comfortably, which means slicing the cod. this will also make moving my legs easier. I feel this is what I have to do now.

 

 

 

Oh, and I started gluing the inner front cover strip of the right thigh! And I'll have to do the back outer cover strip of the left thigh (over the shim) once I verify if I can make that mobility cut as proposed above.

 

 

Phew, that's a lot of posting for tonight! :56pullhair: Thanks for tuning in :lol:

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For mobility cuts, they must not extend past the raised area of the ridges. So, that might be below the edge of your current shim.

 

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that the chest and ab plates have to sit perfectly flush with each other, just as long as they overlap.

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For mobility cuts, they must not extend past the raised area of the ridges. So, that might be below the edge of your current shim.
 
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that the chest and ab plates have to sit perfectly flush with each other, just as long as they overlap.

Thanks! I’m not sure I understand how you’re describing the mobility cuts. Do you have any pics or references (or even draw on the one I have) that could illustrate it? I’m sorry that I’m not getting it yet!


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Great progress, Emma! To clarify about the mobility cuts—they cannot extend above the raised ridge which I’ve marked with a blue line in the photo below. I’m sure somebody else will provide some reference photos, but this is all I can do from my phone at the moment.

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Great progress, Emma! To clarify about the mobility cuts—they cannot extend above the raised ridge which I’ve marked with a blue line in the photo below. I’m sure somebody else will provide some reference photos, but this is all I can do from my phone at the moment.

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Ah I see, that makes more sense. Before I cut, I’ll definitely find some reference pictures.

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Hi Emma, may be this can help.

 

If I can make a suggestion, wait to the final fit of your amor to be sure if the mobility cuts are really needed and if so, how much plastic you need to cut. 

 

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Hi Emma, may be this can help.
 
If I can make a suggestion, wait to the final fit of your amor to be sure if the movility cuts are really needed and if so, how much plastic you need to cut. 
 
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I’ll probably hold off then, but I’m also noticing that the bottom of the shim doesn’t go down all the way. I think I can remedy this with a bit of ABS paste when I add that in. Or I’m wondering if what I have already is okay.

But thank you! It definitely is hard to move my leg so I’ll definitely end up making those cuts but I’ll wait until I have the shins too to know for sure.
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Mario is absolutely correct. Wait until you know you need the cuts. Here's a link to a post from Joseph which is very helpful for higher levels of approval.

 

https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/48335-quick-crl-reference-guide-for-your-ot-build-pics-notes-tips/?do=findComment&comment=673658

 

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Thank you! I am almost certain I will have to make mobility cuts (like, it is crazy hard to bend my leg very far as it is, and the size of the shim limits how far I can pull the thigh up on my leg), but first I am going to add in a bit more plastic to extend the shim down to the top of the bottom thigh ridge (because the gap is gonna kill me if I don't). I will be patient and wait before cutting. I also know mobility cuts aren't really acceptable at higher levels, but I'm okay with that for now. I'll let the decision sit for awhile first of course.

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I'm 6 feet and I can only bend my legs so far, but because of gaps between the armor to make the cut outs would leave a huge gap at the back which I don't like the looks off. I'd suggest kitting up first, checking all your gaps before any trimming. 

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Boring stuff first, exciting stuff after that!

 

For the other thigh, I had to glue a second small inner cover strip behind the front ridges, just because it indents outward and one continuous piece of plastic wouldn't bend at that angle. So I just added a little bit of spared plastic behind the front ridge for reinforcement before gluing the outer front cover strip tomorrow.

 

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Exciting stuff now! I did my first torso fitting and boy was it actually really fun and exciting!!! Here's some pics:

 

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(I didn't know my dad was taking a picture so my face is atrocious, pardon that :P)

 

 

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Here, the butt overlaps the kidney slightly. It just slid up a little bit but it's no big deal, it still fit me height-wise when it slid down a bit too. It was hard to keep it even because right now there is no return edge on either the top of the posterior or the bottom of the kidney. More on that in a minute.

 

 

I decided there are several things I want to do to get this torso to fit me a bit better. Here is my game plan:

 

 

1. Add kidney shims! I measured approximately a 4 inch gap from the ab to the kidney. Because of how the ab sits unevenly and not completely vertically when it rests against my stomach, I measured from the top of the kidney to the top of the ab and the bottom (before the inner notch) of the kidney to the bottom of the ab. I went with the largest measurement, the bottom of the kidney to the bottom of the ab, which, when I make the shim, will push out the ab slightly on the top and help set it more vertically instead of lying slanted against my stomach. I also will make the kidney shim height slightly taller than the actual kidney height to fold over the top of it into a small return edge to make it continuous with the kidney proper. 

 

2. Use the heat sealing iron to make new return edges on the butt and the kidney for the bracket installation! I calculated the overlap between the butt and the kidney that I was most comfortable with (not shown) and will divide that measurement by two to determine how much return edge to make on both the top of the posterior and the bottom of the kidney. This doubly functions to shorten the back profile, which the overlap helped simulate during the fitting.

 

3. Slice the cod! I have been messaging Cricket about this for advice and recommendations about the ideal distance from crotch to cod. I will have to bring it up slightly I think, but this one is still a maybe.

 

4. Install chest brackets and then trim the remaining return edge on the bottom of the chest and see how else to lessen that gap between the chest and ab (heat?). Once I install the chest brackets, I can see how much of that excess return edge I can afford to trim. Then, if there's any issues, I can resort to heat reshaping, or just accept the gap for what it is.

 

Here is PART of my game plan illustrated:

 

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You can see how I am referring to the shim "pushing out" the top of the ab so it is more vertical, using the bottom of the kidney to the bottom of the ab measurement (the wider width) to configure my shim. You can also see where I plan to slice the cod and bring it up, and an approximation of the butt overlap (again, here, there is TOO MUCH overlap from it riding up, and was not the actual measurement I used to calculate how much return edge to make on each piece. This picture is slightly misleading, but it's all I have).

 

 

 

 

That's it for tonight. I honestly feel really recharged and excited seeing some of it fit on my body. 

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Hi Emma, looking really good. I my experience, in this stage  (I call it the blue tape stage) you can have an idea about how things are going, but not the final look,  so be careful in measure but don't make any cut till you are in the Straping stage where thing get the real place. 

 

keep om doing a great work.  :jc_doublethumbup:

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Looks like you're definitely going in the right direction, Emma!  :duim:

Since you're planning on shimming the kidney/ab, it would be a good idea to take care of that first before tackling the cod slice.  I don't envy you having to do the shim work.  Any sort of sizing mod on a TK kit is never fun, though!  :)  Keep up the good work!

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Yes, that's the way Emma...As the pieces come together, everything looks better,eh?...

It will fit you perfectly. All the work you are doing will show in the results....:jc_doublethumbup:

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Your build is coming along great!

Keep up the good work. It can be long process, but it is all worth wild in the end.

:jc_doublethumbup:

I've loving the pictures, gives some great reference to your process, and will be a huge help to others running into similar challenges.

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Keep it going!

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I think it’s important to share the successes AND the failures: 

 

I thought I’d try using my heat sealing iron to make the new return edges on the butt and kidney. I had measured about 1 inch of overlap during my fitting, so I measured 0.5 inches up from the bottom of the kidney and 0.5 inches down from the top of the butt several times across the curve and used a tape measure to connect the line.

 

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Then, I used my heat sealing iron to fold over the edge up until the line I drew. Alas, it was a failed attempt. It took me 3 hours to barely get through the first pass 1/3 of the way across the kidney alone. The iron was too small and not hot enough. It was a waste of time. 

 

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Before proceeding with this step, I will need to get a better tool or else it will never get done. The photo shows the best part of the process today, but the rest of it hardly folded over to a right angle at all. It took so long. The tool was just too weak, that’s what I get for investing in something cheap. 

 

Today felt discouraging but I will continue onward! 

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16 minutes ago, EmlanThane said:

Before proceeding with this step, I will need to get a better tool or else it will never get done. The photo shows the best part of the process today, but the rest of it hardly folded over to a right angle at all. It took so long. The tool was just too weak, that’s what I get for investing in something cheap. 

Hi Emma, don't feel that bad, usually armor building is full of challenges , bad measures, wrong cut, battle wounds :laugh1: , but I can asure you. your're learning a lot, and all this knowledge will let you help others in their builds and you'll encourage new troopers around you.

 

And there's always ABS pieces to reinforce and  ABS  paste to fill the gaps.  

 

Keep on advancing, there's no way back Trooper!! 

 

"Retreat, hell! We just got here."  :Stormtrooper_walk_south::Stormtrooper_walk_south::Stormtrooper_walk_south:

 

 

 

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Hey Emma, 

Oh, yeah, we've all been there!  Some of us know failure a LOT more than others (*cough! cough!, and I don't mean in the COVID way... *).  Don't get discouraged.  It's a learning experience, that's all.  Makes you a better builder. ;) 

My heat sealing iron is a lot bigger than yours.  A larger one will be much better for this task for sure.  And for rebuilding returns on the kidney, I found that a heat gun with a jig to support the new return is much more effective, faster, and produces a cleaner result.  I liked using a heat sealing iron for creating small curvy returns on my thighs and other areas where I didn't like the "flat cut" look.  Not for the big returns on the kidney/back/butt plates so much.  As long as you can cover the areas that you don't want to melt, and work slowly, you should make good progress with a heat gun.  https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/38416-crickets-rs-stunt-build-for-the-vertically-challenged/?do=findComment&comment=534063

 

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Hey Emma, 

Oh, yeah, we've all been there!  Some of us know failure a LOT more than others (*cough! cough!, and I don't mean in the COVID way... *).  Don't get discouraged.  It's a learning experience, that's all.  Makes you a better builder.  

My heat sealing iron is a lot bigger than yours.  A larger one will be much better for this task for sure.  And for rebuilding returns on the kidney, I found that a heat gun with a jig to support the new return is much more effective, faster, and produces a cleaner result.  I liked using a heat sealing iron for creating small curvy returns on my thighs and other areas where I didn't like the "flat cut" look.  Not for the big returns on the kidney/back/butt plates so much.  As long as you can cover the areas that you don't want to melt, and work slowly, you should make good progress with a heat gun.  https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/38416-crickets-rs-stunt-build-for-the-vertically-challenged/?do=findComment&comment=534063
 

I think I personally am more comfortable just going with a bigger heat sealing iron- I have the patience and prefer the control of the area rather than a heat gun. I don’t have the materials to make a jig. As long as that’s okay and it’s doable, I think I’m gonna go with that, but I definitely admire the way you did yours- it’s super impressive!
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My new heat sealing iron arrived, and with it, I finally tackled making the new return on the kidney.

 

Here's an in-action photo, working on the first pass through:

 

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Here's a comparison photo of first pass versus second pass. The left is the first pass only, the right has also gone through a second pass.

 

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As you can see, with the second pass, the return edge lies much flatter, whereas the purpose of the first pass was to fold slightly up to the edges I marked with a pencil. The second pass's goal was to smooth and flatten.

 

 

The full thing is filled with marks, indents and ripples. It is far from perfect. 

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BUT I plan on cutting the excess return edge once I install brackets, and as long as the ripples aren't major, I suspect they will be hidden and wont interfere with how the kidney lies against the butt plate when they are joined together. If they are, I can remedy them with heat and poking with a popsicle stick, or something like that, to get the individual problem ripples to lie flat.

 

There are a few cracks that emerged from heating a concentrated area and bending it away from an unheated area. This are also easily fixable with a generous amount of ABS paste. Going forward making the return on the posterior, I will know to be a bit more careful with how much I fold a given area at a time, as this can cause the plastic to tear.

 

For now though, the kidney looks pretty level and the bottom, from the front, looks unproblematic.

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I am pleased with the results- I think it's the best I could have done... It only took HOURS :56pullhair: It'll be worth it in the end.

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A lot of work but well worth it, any messy areas you could build up with ABS past and sand smooth but as it's not seen you should be ok. 

 

A heat gun and using two small pieces of wood can be useful to for smoothing out areas ;) 

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You did an excellent job, Emma! You can’t even tell in that last photo! And as Glen said, you could also use ABS paste to hide some ripples. The learning process through this will also be very valuable to you as you progress. Keep it up!


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I love how it looks!!!!.A little paste and sandpaper and that kidney will be finished ... Can you see the finish line now?:duim:

 

Do you know what you are getting? ... You are overcoming all the difficulties that appear on your way ...Congratulations!!!:th_AnimatedBravoSmiley:

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