Darth Hilarious Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 I don't think that having AP should make a difference. My greaves/sniper plate are recast derivatives of AP, and I use glue and it holds. So the real deal should be able to hold. And I put my kit through some severe stress- hell, I've even knelt down onto my sniper plate once when I absent-mindedly went down on the wrong knee- on asphault, mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt black Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 The AP knee plate is notroriously difficult to fit. It can be done well as this thread proves, just not easily. Maybe as yours is a recast it is a slightly different shape or size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Hilarious Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Oh mine was still a nightmare to do. But once it stuck (and it was not easy by any means), it stuck. In any case, other people have managed with genuine AP, so I stand by my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt black Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 And I agree. What I am saying is that they are maybe more difficult than other makes of armour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locitus[Admin] Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Nicky that posted above has a T/MC kit though, not AP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt black Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Oh crap. Sorry. I thought it was AP. I'll just go and take my meds now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Hilarious Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 And I agree. What I am saying is that they are maybe more difficult than other makes of armour. Certain kits offer certain challenges. AP = stubborn sniper plates. FX/AM = long chest & back. I definitely don't think we should be making exceptions in the EIB/Cent requirements for particular makes just because they have quirks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt black Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Definitely not. The idea is that we all look the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locitus[Admin] Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Certain kits offer certain challenges. AP = stubborn sniper plates. FX/AM = long chest & back. I definitely don't think we should be making exceptions in the EIB/Cent requirements for particular makes just because they have quirks. I agree as well. Almost all kits have their quirks and it's just to learn to live with them. RS has shins that are really tricky to figure out for example (and the knee plate is in turn affected by that). The only kit I know of with little to no serious quirk is TM. But TM is sculpted that way. To fit well together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Wait, my kit isn't AP? Kidding, but what do you mean with "stubborn"? That it won't bend on its own or fit where it's intended to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Hilarious Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 I say stubborn because (as Mathias noted) on fan-sculpt kits it is literally made to go on nicely. My old (FX) sniper plate was effortless to install- it just fit perfectly. Like I said, each kit has quirks/hurdles to deal with. You simply accepted and dealt with this one- because you didn't think of it as hard (having no comparison) you possibly don't realise how easy it is on other kits. Make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigironvault Posted September 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Yeah AP is notorious for the sniper plate. Ask LadyinWhite about it. Haha. I learnt a lot from her build and took it into consideration when I put mine on. It turned out "okay" but at least that knowledge has been passed on to the other AP recruits in the T4BP now so they should have a better time than I did. It's all about trial, error, learning, and passing it on. I don't think that EIB/Cent should take armour type into consideration. We all need to follow the same standards, some things are easier than others for the different types is all. It's part of the challenge. Edited September 5, 2012 by bigironvault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Agreed! This isn't Lego lol If it doesn't fit, dremel and heat gun is your friend to whom you can't say "No". Because fitting to the wearer's body is a requirement even at 501st standard approval level, am I correct? The sniper plate also has to be fit to the width of the assembled shin, not only for the glue to take but because the sniper plate wants to be bent, it's begging to be heated and bent nicely to shape. If it's already going nicely out of the box, then you'll probably want to heat it anyway Example of how absurd it is to take things out of the CRL because kits don't all go nicely: I ate lots of celebration pancakes because my hotel was next to Ihop and so I busted my 1/2 inch gap limit on the side by about 2 inches even when I suck in, making me not acceptable for EIB. I'm not asking to change the CRL, and I can't stop eating pancakes now, I just don't go for EIB unless I add matching ABS tab to fill the gap. Many don't have to do that extra work on their kit but I'm ok with it Edited September 5, 2012 by Nicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Hilarious Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) I don't think that EIB/Cent should take armour type into consideration. Ah, but it already does- special clauses abound for FX and AM! (yes, I knew what you actually meant, just an example of how wordage can be tricky) Ehm. This isn't Lego lol If it doesn't fit, dremel and heat gun is your friend to whom you can't say "No". Because fitting to the wearer's body is a requirement even at 501st standard approval level, am I correct? The sniper plate also has to be fit to the width of the assembled shin, not only for the glue to take but because the sniper plate wants to be bent, it's begging to be heated and bent nicely to shape. If it's already going nicely out of the box, then you'll probably want to heat it anyway You are quite correct. As I said, you had the right approach- you didn't think of it as hard. (do or do not, there is no try!) You might find that your interpretation of 'fitting to the wearer's body' was much stricter than others'. Which is good. Nothing better than a well-tailored suit. Example of how absurd it is to take things out of the CRL because kits don't all go nicely: I ate lots of celebration pancakes because my hotel was next to Ihop and so I busted my 1/2 inch gap limit on the side by about 2 inches even when I suck in, making me not acceptable for EIB. I'm not asking to change the CRL, and I can't stop eating pancakes now, I just don't go for EIB unless I add matching ABS tab to fill the gap. Many don't have to do that extra work on their kit but I'm ok with it Technically, that's not a kit issue- that could have happened in any make of armour! Edited September 5, 2012 by Darth Furious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Yeah, we're not buying finished products. We're a club of costumers, not consumers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigironvault Posted September 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Ah, but it already does- special clauses abound for FX and AM! (yes, I knew what you actually meant, just an example of how wordage can be tricky) You are quite correct. As I said, you had the right approach- you didn't think of it as hard. (do or do not, there is no try!) You might find that your interpretation of 'fitting to the wearer's body' was much stricter than others'. Which is good. Nothing better than a well-tailored suit. Technically, that's not a kit issue- that could have happened in any make of armour! Ah but it's not giving FX/AM a way out. It's making them more in line with the other armours that already have correct chest plates. FX/AM is an exception in the sense that they are the only ones that need that mod. It's not the same as saying AP sniper plate doesn't fit so you can rivet it, which is an exception to the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) Yeah indeed, it actually gives more work to FX/AM owners. I don't think that using E6000 to hold onto two 1/2 inch points of contact on the AP sniper plate is more work, just something to worry about, when however my T/MC sniper plate didn't touch the shin on both edges at all it wasn't the kit, it was my smaller shins. So we can also say the way you assemble your shin determines how stubborn the AP sniper plate is, you'd have to prefer fitting the shin by trimming its back and leave the front a preferred width and angle. Unfortunately attaching the sniper plate, like the thigh pack, tends to be done last due to its accessory appearance. If both the fitting and kit specs share the responsibility for not lego'ing nicely, it seems like an opportunistic overreaction to drill a hole in there and say that some kits don't work with glue. Heatgun and dremel. Edited September 6, 2012 by Nicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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